Hi. We have 2 Panasonic DMR-EX83EB recorders’ we have these as we have a lot of DVD-RAM discs and find we can easily swop discs between players and we can copy from HDD to DVD. These units started to play up with “There may be a problem with the disc……” and of course U81 and U80 errors. Not enough to stop working but plenty enough to be extremely annoying. I decided to buy the new version; DMR-86EB from a nearby dealer, within 2 hours there were as many “Disc, U81 and U81” errors as on my old machines! The dealer agreed to exchange the unit with another, guess what? Correct! The same again!! It seems that DVD RECORDERS are going out of favour, probably due to copying. I need this copy from HDD facility so I can record programmes for later viewing by a disabled person who would never be able to set up a recording or understand the instructions. On eBay I found Panasonic-Outlet selling ‘refurbished -86EB units’ at £129.00, these being stringently checked and repaired if needed and comes with a manufactures 12 month warranty. Maybe if they have been checked and repaired if necessary then the problem will have been sorted? Err, nope, same problems. I emailed Panosonic who admitted these were common problems and offered a full refund. So that made 5 units with the same problems that Panasonic seem unable to correct. Their email also stated these faults could appear at any time; even during transit!!! So, now to my questions. Are DVD-RAM discs only playable in Pansonic machines or can they be played in other machines, if so whose? If I replaced both our units with (non-Panasonic) new machines and wish to record to HDD and DVD and have the facility to copy from HDD to DVD and play on the second machine without having to finalise, what make and maybe model of recorder would be suitable? If it means 2 new machines and a whole bunch of DVD-RW's then so be it.... but whose.....? The unreliability of Panasonic has put me off buying anything from them in the future. Any advice would be appreciated.