replacing a cd player without a cd player, what is the name of this device?

password1

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sometime ago I asked about repairing one of my cd players. after looking into the costs i decided it wasn't worth the cost and.hassle. it wasn't in a rush as i had my main system.

now, the cd player in my main system has developed a fault. all my.music collection is on cd so was looking at a new cd player...id.prefer new with warranty and was considering a marantz 6006 but at that price there's not much choice and im not sure if its good enough to match the rest of my system (2x arcam alpha 9r bi amped with monitor audio gold reference standmounters)

so i was thinking is there something out there which i can store my cd collection..hard drive based device or something that i can read usb sticks with cd quality files such aswav files (i dont know what the latest loss less misic formats are or how)

fyi its another Cambridge audio cd player...ive never had any reliability issues with any other make of cd player ive owned (Denon, pioneer, sony to name a few)

thanks in advance
 

mikeysthoughts

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From what I can gather you are looking for, I would suggest something like the Bluesound Vault which has a cracking app to support it. More generally, any NAS devices will do the job with some tinkering.
 

dannnielll

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Your question is confusing.. where is your music at present?. If it is all on CDs you need to either play it with a CD player or convert it into some other digital form ,using a CD drive, and then archive it there and then stream it to some playback device. So at some point a device which can read a CD ..at least once is required.
The great news is that even the crappiest of lousy computers with a DVD or CD drive will allow you to fully and perfectly read all of your CDs and convert them into digital files.
 

noiseboy72

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Are you talking about one of these? Shop Brennan

Not sure they are the zenith of hifi, but I think they will suit your system quite well. You can rip CDs as lossless FLACs, play back files from other sources etc. The output is via a mini jack - a headphone jack, but you can also get an external DAC to link to it for better quality.

They are based on a Rasberry Pi module and unspecified audio card, so you could create something similar for a lot less money, but you wouldn't get the nice app, shiny case and support.
 

BlueWizard

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The first thing you need to do is give us a working budget? At least if you want the responses to stay on point.

You can Rip your CDs to computer files using a computer, assuming it has a CD drive in it. If not you can buy an external USB CD Drive for a reasonable price.

As mentioned, if you have the money, the Bluesound Vault 2i is a Network Player with a built in CD Drive for ripping files from a CD, and it has a 2tb hard drive capable of storing thousand of albums. But it cost £1100.

Bluesound Vault 2i - Black or White - £1099 -


Bluesound VAULT 2i Hi-Res Music Server / CD Ripper

VAULT 2i

The Bluesound Node 2i is a Network Streamer, but it does have a USB interface that would allow you to add a USB drive to the system.

Bluesound Node 2i - £499 -

Bluesound NODE 2i Hi-Res Wireless Music Streamer

NODE 2i

Of course if you want a Network Player only, there are many to choose from, from the Yamaha WXAD-10 (£120) up to the Cambridge 851N (£1400). But these are just Streamers/Players, you have to Rip the files on a computer, and assuming that computer is ON, you can then play those files on your network. There are a few other options, but we don't want to confuse things at the moment.

If you start with your favorites music, and Rip a couple of CDs each night, it won't be long before you have a substantial collection converted to Computer Files.

Given how cheap storage is, you can store the files in WAV Format, though today most are using compressed but lossless FLAC files. Which you choose will depend on how much storage space you have and how many CDs you have.

So ... let's start with BUDGET?

Steve/bluewizard
 

password1

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i have a large music collection..all CDs.

i have been using cd players for years. my cd player is a Cambridge audio azur 640 v2 .. im looking for similar or better sound quality.

i want to listen to my CD collection. what are my options?
1) buy another cd player (not much choice new. or buy another used cd player but ill probably end up with the same problem in a couple years when the cd player breaks down again)
2) buy some hard drive based player/device (i convert the CDs to wav or some other file. what are these called, are these still available to buy)
3) use an old or cheap dvd player or cd player with a dac (no idea how this compares)
4) anything else?

budget ideally less than £200 or as low as possible but dont mind spending up to £350 if the sound is as good as a decent cd player such as arcam cd72, ca azur 640 or arcam alpha 8c...
 
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password1

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Your question is confusing.. where is your music at present?. If it is all on CDs you need to either play it with a CD player or convert it into some other digital form ,using a CD drive, and then archive it there and then stream it to some playback device. So at some point a device which can read a CD ..at least once is required.
The great news is that even the crappiest of lousy computers with a DVD or CD drive will allow you to fully and perfectly read all of your CDs and convert them into digital files.

all.my music is on CDs. i need to play them..
 

John7

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CD players wear out (and disk storage takes up a lot of room for a large collection). You’d be better off long term ripping them and storing on Hard drive(s) IMHO.
 

password1

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thanks for all the suggestions..all new territory for me..

the brennan looks ideal but its quite expensive for what is essentially a raspberry pi, sound card and hard drive.. ill have a.look if a used one comes up.

the other streaming devices are unfortunately not suitable because they need a network and im looking for something to replace my cd player..

I think the device im after is called a music server?
 

password1

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CD players wear out (and disk storage takes up a lot of room for a large collection). You’d be better off long term ripping them and storing on Hard drive(s) IMHO.
thats one reason im.looking at not using a cd player again..ans hard drives/storage is a lot cheaper and easier to replace these days..

the issue is how to get to the music on the CDs to the speakers without losing sound quality...
 

dannnielll

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all.my music is on CDs. i need to play them..
Well then you have a decision to make.
1. Buy an Expensive CD player with good quality DAC inside.
2. Buy a cheap DVD player and a good external DAC and get whatever quality of audio you are prepared to pay for.
3. Join the 21st century, and transfer your CD library into digital files in a lossless format, and store them on some server.. the linked thread on Streaming in this HiFi section will give pointers. That path will also require the purchase of an external DAC
Nobody except yourself ,you patience,and your bank balance can decide.
 

BlueWizard

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...

budget ideally less than £200 or as low as possible but dont mind spending up to £350 if the sound is as good as a decent cd player .....

That is going to be the fly in the ointment. You can barely get a CD Player for £200 much less anything to do with Network Streaming or a CD Player with extra features.

Here is on possibility that has BOTH CD Player and Network Player in one package -

Yamaha CD-NT670D Silver Network CD Player w/ MusicCast & DAB - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Yamaha CD-NT670D Black Network CD Player w/ MusicCast & DAB - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Yamaha CD-NT670D CD Player

MusicCast MCR-N670D - Overview - Yamaha - UK and Ireland

Here is a B-Stock Yamaha CD-N301 (£199) which is the CD-S300 but with the addition of Network Streaming - (supplies limited) -

Manufacturer Refurbished Yamaha CD-N301 - Black

CD-N301 - Overview - Yamaha - UK and Ireland

You would still have to Rip your CD Files to Computer Files, and have a place to store them.

Even if you want to forget the Network aspect, you are only going to get the most basic CD Player for £200.

Marantz CD5005 Black CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Denon DCD-520 Silver CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Marantz CD5005 Silver CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Onkyo C-7030 Black CD Player w/ 192 kHz/24-Bit D/A Converter - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Onkyo C-7030 Silver CD Player w/ 192 kHz/24-Bit D/A Converter - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

These are still good CD Players, but you are down on the bottom of the price range. For now, unless you are specifically looking for USED equipment, I suggest you forget the Network aspect, and just by a CD Player.

If you are looking for USED equipment then you just have to search out what is available and make a judgement call on the specific equipment.

Steve/bluewizard
 

dannnielll

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Will disagree slightly ... ,With Steve on this one.
New low cost DVD player with coaxial cable output 50 quid
Any of a selection of DACs with coaxial inputs including the Audioquest Beetle at 150 quid.. prices from 30 quid up to 50,000 quid
Input to amplifier..use your existing interconnects.
Job done

But alternative.. old pc or laptop from attic with working CD drive .. 0 quid
EAC ripping software 0 quid
New usb hard drive 50 quid.
Your time ?????
Audioquest Beetle with usb input ...150.
Result same quality audio.
 

BlueWizard

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thats one reason im.looking at not using a cd player again..ans hard drives/storage is a lot cheaper and easier to replace these days..

the issue is how to get to the music on the CDs to the speakers without losing sound quality...

You can Rip the files on your computer assuming it has a CD Drive. Rip to either WAV or FLAC, or if you are an Apple Fan-Boy, then rip to ALAC which is Apples equivalent to FLAC, compressed for size but lossless.

But to Rip you need a CD/DVD/BluRay Driver on your computer or you need an external CD/DVD/BluRay Drive -

Optical Drives, Blu-Ray Writer, DVD Writer, LG Blu-Ray Writer, Samsung DVD Writer | SCAN UK

Notice there are several under £30, just make sure if you get an external DVD Drive that it supports CDs for both Read and Write -

Pioneer DVR-XU01T 8x WHITE Slim External DVD/CD Burner USB (Retail)

ZenDrive U7M USB External ultra-slim DVD writer with M-Disc support

Or actually, the Drive only needs to be able to READ CDs in order to rip them.

Steve/bluewizard
 

noiseboy72

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The problem with cheapo DVD players is that quite often they don't have a display and need a monitor or TV connected to do any sort of navigation.

The earlier JB7 can be picked up refurbished for about £200. It's not capable of network playback, but it's easy to use and they sound OK. Not sure if the MP3 option only would be an issue for you, as it doesn't really do totally uncompressed FLAC files
 

password1

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i already have a few dvd players in the house so could try them with a dac..

the main issue with a pc/laptop is i have to.boot up/shut down every time.. the inconvenience of a remote control to change tracks i guess ill.have to get a wireless keyboard/mouse...
 

Paul7777x

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Many/most software media players will have an iOS or Android app. Some are a pain in the arse, but for simply skipping tracks and selecting albums and playlists they’ll all be quite adequate.

I use iTunes a lot and the remote app on both the iPhone and iPad are as good as a stand alone remote.
 

password1

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jb7 looks interesting..but sound quality?

i estimate ive got 800-1000 CDs...i use to rip my CDs to mp3 files then transfer them.onto my sony mp3 walkman....it use to take about 15 mins to.rip an.hour of music.. i used a 40x speed cd-rom back in the day...and ripped them 320kbps
 

password1

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Many/most software media players will have an iOS or Android app. Some are a pain in the arse, but for simply skipping tracks and selecting albums and playlists they’ll all be quite adequate.

I use iTunes a lot and the remote app on both the iPhone and iPad are as good as a stand alone remote.
ive no Idea how that works..i rip the CDs onto a pc/laptop then using a tablet/phone to.somehow.vhange tracks/albums?
 

Paul7777x

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If you buy the Brennan with the digital output then the sound quality depends entirely on the dac you end up buying.

There are tonnes of very good inexpensive ones.

haven’t used a Brennan before but the idea is an excellent one.
 

Paul7777x

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ive no Idea how that works..i rip the CDs onto a pc/laptop then using a tablet/phone to.somehow.vhange tracks/albums?


Yes. Exactly that.

It sounds much more complicated than it is.

iTunes (as an example).

I copied all my cds to it on my macbook. (Takes a while) but nothing is simpler to do.

Then all albums are listed by artist, by title, and other means if you wish.

Then the remote control app mirrors the albums, titles and any playlists you make, on your phone or tablet (free app).

So your phone becomes a remote control such that you can see all 800 albums and all tracks, so playing either/or is simplicity itself.

There are also track skip buttons.
 

password1

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whats the name of the app
is it on Google play store or somewhere else.

i do have an old laptop but the harddrive is only something like 4gig..running windows me (upgraded from Windows 98) intel inside pentium iii 500mhz with mmx technology. has usb version 1, floppy drive and built in cd rom. i installed winamp on it...

the problem is only 1 spare usb and fan noise
 

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