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Replacement sub needed for KEF KHT2005

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by Desticado, Jul 8, 2002.

  1. Desticado

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    Title says it all really.

    I've got 6 Eggs with the supplied Sub.

    Im really pleased with the eggs but after about 6 months listening im starting to get increasingly disapointed with the KEF sub.

    Could anyone reccommend me 2/3 subs to look at that would compliment these speakers and the 3802 that drives them all.

    Many thanks in advance.

    Regards
     
  2. Jase

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    Hi

    Depending on budget but RS have the Paradigm range on offer at the moment, PDR10 & PS1000 are worth demoing. Also might pay you to have a look at Rel subs but they start at around 450/500 quid upwards but 2nd hand ones do come available from time to time, Rel Stratas, Storms, Q100´s etc.
     
  3. Desticado

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    Thanks for the input Jase.

    I could be tempted to spend up to about £500 I think, but that would have to be about my max. Hopefully I could get a few quid back on the Kef Sub somewhere too.

    Main dislike about the Kef sub is that it lack impact and definition (to my ears).

    So I guess thats what im looking for mostly in a replacement.

    Regards
     
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    How much do you want for the kef sub ? I might be interested.
     
  5. Desticado

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    Hadnt really thought about it to be honest.

    Its in great condition and I still have the original box etc (although might have to stick my head up the loft to make sure the wife didnt throw it away... :D )

    I'd have thought about £125 would be a fair price but i'll have to check it out.

    PM me if your seriously interested as it will obviously play a factor in whether I upgrade or not.

    Regards
     
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    Whats your email adress mate i cant for some reson send you a pm.:confused:
     
  7. Desticado

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    maybe my pm box is full..

    try now (im now deleting them all)
     
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    Nope, still cant send pms. email me at nigele69@yahoo.co.uk;)
     
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    When I got my VM1 speakers they recommended the Rel Q150 instead of the AS1 sub I got, but I went for the full b&w set instead because I didn't really want to rattle the windows of the flat downstairs :D

    I guess the Q150 would go well with the eggs as well, but I've never actually heard it. Everyone on these boards seems to rave about the Rel subs.
     
  10. Ian J

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    Not everyone. See Uncle Eric's post a few weeks ago on why he doesn't like them.

    Desticado,

    If you are willing to buy second hand there was a REL Strata in the classifieds recently
     
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    Thanks for the tip Jase.

    I really need guidance on this as I know very little about subs.

    I only really know what I've listened to at home and learnt on this forum in the last 9 months.

    Well It looks like I've sold my sub so I guess I better hurry up and decide what sub I want to replace it...

    Regards
     
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    Desticado,

    Not sure if you've decided which sub to buy yet but I have a black MK1 REL storm for sale. It cost me £695 brand new but I have only used it twice due to it being way too powerful for my small lounge in my new house. It's in new condition and is in the original packaging and sitting in my spare bedroom.

    I've recently purchased the Mission FS2AV system and it performs very well in the small lounge.

    If you are interested, drop me a line at s.gandy@ntlworld.com

    Cheers.
     
  13. Desticado

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    how old is it? how much do you want for it?

    Although you have me wondering if it might be too powerful for my room...

    My room is about 3m x 6m and very open plan. (Two large sofas and the AV rack only).

    Also my room is currently quite 'hard' (bare walls, and wooden flooring) which is something I perhaps need to look at.

    Regards
     
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    Desticado,

    I'm looking for £325 for it.

    That said my lounge is 4m x 6m and whilst you can adjust the level and tweak the low pass filter on the Storm, I did find it a bit overpowering in my room with conventional speakers.

    When I bought my FS2AV the Kef system hadn't been launched. I've tried the FS2 speakers with the Storm but it sounded awful. You've now got me wondering what it would sound like with the Eggs given that they are a similar size to the missions although better built and not FXT technology.

    I've just looked on Ebay and there a number of subs on there including a Miller and Kreisal which are very much on a par with the REL units.

    I'd certainly try and have a listen to the eggs with alternative subs before spending your hard earned cash.

    Cheers.
     
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    well im gonna be off to listen to some subs in the morning so i might get back to you.

    many thanks.
     
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    Decided that my local specialist store is not that specialist.

    He recommended the Q150 I think it was.

    I pointed out the KEF's are known to not perform below 120 and the REL only goes up to 100...

    "oh, says he...
    "so you want to make sure you dont have a gap do you", says he

    Couldnt let me demo any in store but has arranged to get a REL Strata III in for me to home demo for 48 hours so not all bad.

    Regards

    (still tempted by your storm, juiceloose)
     
  17. Ian J

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    Have you had a look at the new Power Buys forum. If enough people wish to buy a Velodyne subwoofer the price seems very advantageous.
     
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    I've just ordered 6 eggs myself from a place recommended by Desticado, good price for just the eggs as well.

    My room size is about the same as well, 3m x 6m. Is a top floor flat, but I do move around every year and a bit or so.

    My budget is up to about £250 - £300 (max, don't wanna go any higher). Current shortlist is the Tannoy MXSUB10, Vibe Alpha 1 or at a push the Rel Q50 at £300.

    Will a bigger sub automatically make more sound, or is it all down to setup and it will just be tighter than a cheaper/less well designed sub.

    Cheers, John
     
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    Jon, one thing to bear in mind with your sub...

    The Q range only go up to (I think) 100Hz but the Eggs only really perform down to 120Hz. so you want to get a sub that will not leave a gap in the middle.

    Hope you enjoy your eggs.

    Im pleased as punch with mine still and i've lived with them for 8 months now.

    Regards
     
  20. Ian J

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    It's all down to design and construction in practice.

    Q50 is an good sub but very difficult to find. Have a think about Uncle Eric's Q100 in the classifieds which is an excellent sub at a good price.
     
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    Was looking at that Q100, but think it may be a bit big for me - physically and in terms of sound. Will probably compromise and go for the Vibe Alpha 1 @ £240 or maybe the Tannoy MXSUB 10. Both are around 30cm boxes and don't look too bad.

    jon
     
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    Isn't that what AccursedDelphi's got :D :D :D
     
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    John,

    How much did you get the Eggs for?
     
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    Jag - have sent you a PM with the details. My speakers should be here next week.

    I went for the Vibe Alpha 1 sub in the end, cost me £240 including p&p from a special offer from Justin@upgradeheaven (bargain thread over on the www.thedvdforums.com).

    based on the 4 star Home Entertainment review looks good value at that price (i'll ignore the poor What Hi-Fi review).
     
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    Did you buy the Vibe just on the basis of a review or have you heard it ?
     
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    Never heard it. Purchase based entirely on the 2 reviews i've seen, Retro's comments on another thread and getting a decent price on it.

    Even if I demo'd a sub I would have absolutely no idea what I was listening to (this would go for a lot of other people as well).

    Flame away. :cool:
     
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    I asked the question and appreciate your honest reply so no flames from me.
     
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    A little side question. What is wrong with not listening to a piece of equipment before purchase and running on a recommendation from 'someone in the know'. Or put another way, how many people here actually know how to evaluate a sub correctly that they will make the right long term decision. Or how many dealers know how to set up a sub correctly for demo?

    We always say demo demo demo but many people make expensive mistakes this way......Is there another way?

    I am interested in peoples views
     
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    I posted this very thing elsewhere this week. Subs especially are very difficult for the inexperienced person to evaluate as in many instances they have never heard one before and therefore don't know what to look for.

    I bought a Q Bass seven years ago which was replaced with a Storm recently so I probably have more sub experience than most of the members yet I still wouldn't like to demo and evaluate one.

    It is for that reason that If I wanted to replace my sub now I would ask the advice of those that know more than I (yourself and Uncle Eric) and buy what you suggested without a second thought.

    Having read your posts for a long while I would buy a Servo 15 without hesitation or demo and for similar reasons would buy a Q100 or Velodyne for the same reasons.

    I would not buy anything recommended by any magazine just on their own recommendation as I am unaware if there were any vested interests involved in the review or even subtle editing of the original review.

    My advice is, if you are unsure of your ability to correctly evaluate a pice of kit, to seek the advice of someone but only if you KNOW that the person knows what he is talking about.
     

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