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REL Stentor or VeloHGS18?

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by cajunlab, Feb 8, 2003.

  1. cajunlab

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    Greetings,
    My first post!
    IMHO this forum is far better than the US forums Hometheaterforum.com & avsforum.com (note the S).
    The US forums have become info-mercials for SVS subs and Rocket speakers. (A chinese import:( )
    There is a push for VeloHGS18 here but it is, at least, based on more than hype.

    FINALLY, I am in the US & trying to decide between the REL Stentor (which has snob appeal here since it is Brittish) and the VeloHGS18. I have been advised that the REL is more musical and will blend better with my Vienna Acoustics Mahlers, Oratorio & Waltz's. Something about the 3-wire, high-level neutrik connection?
    Any opinions are greatly appreciated.
    REL Stentor 3 is $5000.00 USD.
    HGS 18 is $2,000.00 USD.
    ALso, What is the price difference "over there"?
     
  2. magking

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    Welcome to the forum.

    As an HGS18 owner myself i think it's an easy question.
    And when I see the prices you quote it's no question.
    Hey, you can even get 2 HGS18 for the price of 1 REL.

    Try to look at this and thisthread.

    Charlie Whitehouse upgraded from a Stentor to a HGS18, so he can make a better judgement than me on this.
    I have never heard the Stentor, i have a Q400 though.

    If you need more info on the Velodyne, try to get the hold of Uncle Eric. He has sold several at this forum and has one himself.

    Good luck.
    Regards Hans
     
  3. uncle eric

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    Thanks Hans
    Speaking as an owner of the HGS-18 I have to say its an awsome product. As Hans mentioned, Charlie would give you more info of direct comparison between the HGS-18 and the Stentor as he has owned both.

    I have heard the REL Stentor and it's a very good sub. However, I don't think it comes close to the Velodyne HGS-18 in any department.

    Apart from Velodyne, and REL, there are several other good subs from the following manufacturers,
    Vandersteen, Bag End, Pinnacle Technology, Jamo, Triad, M&K, Paradigm, HSU, SVS, Tuefel, Atlantic Technology, to name but a few.
     
  4. Gambit

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    REL Stentors are about £2,500 over here (roughly $3,700). http://www.homecinemachoice.com/testbench/Subwoofers/REL/RELStentorIII.php is a review. I all ways liked the ST series of RELs, the gas neutrik connection you mentioned is for high level so is useful if you're running stereo amps with no pre-outs on. However, I've never heard the Velodyne so can't compare them- Uncle Eric has heard them both so I guess you'd be wise to heed his advice ;)
     
  5. cajunlab

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    Apparently the REL can accept SIMULTANEOUS high and low level inputs and deal with them properly, correct?
    Can the Velo, also?
    What is special about the REL crossovers?
    We are getting killed on the REL pricing it sounds.
    Is Vienna Acoustics available "over there" & how is it regarded?
    Sorry for the number of questions.
    Thank you. I'm still learning.
     
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    Yes, the REL can take both high and low level at the same time, it has separate volume controls.
    The Velodyne can not use both at the same time, but has both.
    Nothing spesial abou REL crossovers as far as i know.:confused:

    But, why do you need both at the same time?

    If you use an AV amp/prosessor you can set the crossover on that, no need for high level then.
    I used both inputs on my Q400 and sat front speakers to large. But after upgrading to the HGS18 i now have the crossover at 80hz and only low level connected. This actually sounds better because it's easier to plase one sub in a spot that works well acustically. If your fronts play below 80hz you are more likely to get acustic problems. But because i'm only at page 117 in the Master Handbook Of Acustics, i'll leave that explonation to someone else.:blush:

    If you use a stereo amp, you just use the highlevel, no need for both then.

    What is your setup, other than speakers listed earlier?

    The HGS18 has balanced inputs if you can use them, the REL dont as far as i know.
    The HGS18 even has a remote, but I dont use it much, only to switch it on and off.

    Keep the questions coming, lots of people here with much more knowladge than me.:blush:

    And I don't know anything about the Vienna Acustics, sorry.:blush:
     
  7. Steve.EX

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    Not being terribly familiar at all with the HGS the opinions of those who own one/two are more relevant here.
    This really should be decided by your own ears (if possible).
    Certainly taken by on-paper stats alone the HGS (or 2) would clearly be the superior unit.
    It comes down to what do you want? If absolute extension (very very low!!!) and spl's are your criteria (more an A.V associated thing) then there surely can be no decision to make.
    If music is your thing then i don't really know (Charlie Whitehouse is the chap to speak to - a music enthusiast with an understanding of the technologies). I have no definitive or substantiated opinion of the HGS with music but i DO know about Rel's (i speak of the ST range here, in general the Q range has i think, a different design/purpose criteria). I have owned and listened too extensively pretty much every Rel in the last 6/7 years along with at least another 20 sub's from other manufacturer and i have come to the conclusion that the Rel implemtation of the crossover (particularly in recent years is as good as it get's!! by pretty much all other standards i have encountered, ir has been said 100 times before but a Rel just seems to integrate so easily it really can be a seemless affair and while others i have encountered have gone louder/lower/less distortion etc etc i can't help but speak very favourable of my findings given their relative cost over here.
    I should mention that i no londer use Rel's and in no way would i consider paying 2.5 times the price of an HGS on a Stentor based purely on the respect i have for the opinions of one or two of the HGS owners here and my experience of the Stentors performance.
    I would think that Rel's mighty Stadium 3 would be the only Rel to even considered being on the same playing feild as far as the home cinema thunder goes.

    I have enjoyed using the bigger Mirage sub's, the odd M and K.

    Steve.
     
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    Apologies - too much wine, too many late nights;

    Should Read : Studio 3 (not Stadium)

    Steve
     
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    The HGS18 is very underated as a music performer, infact it does to music what it does to movies. 99% of reviews I've seen from members/websites always comment on the HGS18 being excellent for music and I concur. Dunno anything about the REL but I will say this, if people think that because the REL has a 10" driver it will be "faster" bass you can forget that daft notion as it's a fallacy.
     
  10. cajunlab

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    Where do you get that it is THX Ultra 2 certified?
    It is NOT listed on THX.com website.
     
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    Along with the HGS-15 they have both recently passed the spec.
    Just send them an email and I'm sure THX will confirm.
    Regards
    Eric
     
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    Uncle Eric, do you know if Velodyne will start putting THX Ultra2 badges on them?
     
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    Frankly I'm not sure. I'll ask next time I speak to the boys at Velo. I have a new shipment of HGS-15's that should be here this week. I'll take a peek to see if they have started putting Ultra II badges on.
     
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    Heh heh,

    I think one of them might be for me . . . . . .

    No more quiet cul-de-sac anymore for our street :devil:

    Steve.
     
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    How many HGS18's are required for Ultra2 certification, one or two? Is it dependant on room volume?
    Thanks
     
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    One, and the THX Ultra spec was for home theater environments of up to 3,000 cubic feet, I guess Ultra2 would be similar or larger. But I'm sure the HGS18 will happily fill rooms larger than 3000 cubic feet. :)
     
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    Unfortunately, my HT room has an open rear wall resulting in up to 8400cubic feet of volume. Do I need 2 HGS18's?
    Thanks
     
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    Well I did it.
    The HGS18 Velo is ordered & on the way.
    Hope I don't regret missing the REL Stentor.
     
  19. uncle eric

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    I'm sure you won't. Let us know you're thoughts.
    Eric
     
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    Congratulation.
    I promise you that when you hear (read feel) Godzilla you will not regret that choyce.;)

    Regards Happy HGS18 owner, aka Hans
     
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    Just cancelled my HGS-18 order!
    Talked to Curt at Velo.
    He said the HGS line will be discontinued in 3-months.
    It will be replaced with a "Digital Drive" line which is:
    1. improved
    2. maintains THXUltra2 certification
    3. is available in REAL piano black, maple and cherry
    4. has automatic room correction computer where graphs will be shown on your TV as it calibrates.
    5. No this is not confusion with the 1812
    6. The price will increase approx $1,000.00USD retail.

    SHOULD be available in June 2003 timeframe.
    DANG IT, and I was excited, now more waiting.
    Oh, well good things come to those who wait:rolleyes:
     
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    Edit: completely misread previous post and looked very silly. Removed.
     
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    I think he meant $1000 extra over the HGS-18.

    Any rich ppl out there want to buy me one? :)
     
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    I think he means it will retail for $1000 MORE than the current HGS-18. Which is fair enough IMO, from the looks of it.

    Wow, a self calibrating THX Ultra 2 sub, that is better than the HGS-18, im droooling....:clap:

    EDIT: Oops, nathan beat me to it, damn these useless chubby digits!
     
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    Okay, I am officially blind today. :zonked:

    Just ignore me. :suicide:

    In fact I am going to edit that previous post so I don't look quite so stupid. :blush:
     
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    Doh! :(
     
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    I will start a new thread as to what applies to us here in the UK with Velodynes new products
     
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    I'm still waiting......seem's like forever.
    Are you all SURE I the DD18 (HGS18 replacement) is better than the REL Stentor?
    What is the UK pricing for the Stentor & HGS18?
    I sure don't mind spending US$ if I know it is going to UK......beats the heck out of sending it to France or Germany...IF you know what I mean.
    Thanks guys!
     
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    Not sure if I should place it here. But we are talking about the big boys of subwoofers.
    The Stentor, HGS18 and I guess the Servo15 belongs in this group too.


    Anyone familiar with these german big boys? The magnat 380 and the Audio Research Chronos W38?

    Both 38 cm woofers and highly regarded by the german tests.
    Actually they are tops in the german ratings on subwoofers.

    The thing is ..both could be had for around 300/350 GBP.
    I feel that the reason these subs are not so popular here is that they are just too big in size.
     
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    Tan,
    I am familiar with both these 15inchers but feel they are outperformed by both the Paradigm Servo 15 and Velodyne CHT-15.

    Cajunlab,
    The Stentor is one of Rels best but it is comprehensively outclassed by the HGS-18. In fact, it's not even close.

    Be patient, June isn't that far away. Alternatively, you can grab yourself a HGS-18 right now from your local market in the states and pocket the difference. The changes to the amp and driver are not vast.
    The overiding feature of the new Digital Drive Velodynes is as you know EQ. While EQ works well to smooth out lower frequencies (where it works best IMO), you still need to manually place your sub in the best position in your room. In other words, give the thing a head start. Some folks seem to think you can stuff the sub behind the sofa and the back wall and press the EQ button, hey presto, all done.
    This is just not the case.
    Even if not ruler flat, a HGS-18 can still sound awsome if done right.
     

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