But also I maybe being a little harsh here but I don't exactly see how this is a 9 out of 10 with:
"...while the REL handled the transients extremely well, it sometimes missed the more subtle beats."
"However, the more subtle bass effects associated with the motorcycle weaving its way through the racers tended to get a little lost in the mix."
I don't mind someone explaining it to me because I'm just asking. I've seen reviews for other comparable boxes like the F3-12 and even ones which are much cheaper (you know which one by now) and one of the reported plus points was that they didn't loose the detail within the boom.
Rated frequency responses are compromised if they don't have +-dB limits - something could be rated as down to 7Hz, but if the manufacturer omits to mention that the 7Hz strength is 20dB down from the mid-frequency gain, then that's really not much cop.
In any case you can't rely on frequency specifications for subwoofers, as I said in Post #14 of this thread. Much better to go by the reviewer's comments.
Rated frequency responses are compromised if they don't have +-dB limits..
But i know for a fact there is people who don´t want to order the sub from other shop/internet if they are buying a new system,
Speaking just for myself I'd be much happier making a decision to buy a sub if I've been able to have a home demo first. Where this is possible with the REL this is a definite plus for me but there is a significant price premium for this as you say.
Are you building a home cinema or a seismic weapon?
Not sure about BK subs can they be returned after "home demo". AudioVisualOnline has home listening option now too (REL & SVS) and likely Richer Sounds has return policy for both brands aswell. Arendal offers 60day buy & try, but penalty (10% of total price?) if returning. XTZ offers 30day buy&try with free shipping, likely some small cost when returning product.
Would be really nice to compare few products at home before choosing the winner. No second guessing then.
Hi Gasp,From REL site:
LOW FREQUENCY EXTENTION
-6dB at 22 Hz
I don´t think the problem being performance for the average Joe, this model is tad too expensive to really make it intresting.
At 700£ which is price of one REL HT1205 we can buy dual new BK P12s (Colosussxb)!
XTZ 12.17 Edge is priced about same 689£ and offers lot more output especially at 20-30hz region, tweakability, PEQ and more TR/rumble for the overall cinema experience with a longer warranty aswell.
Arendal Sub1 and SVS SB2000 can be had for only 100£ more.
Hoping to see similar price drop/deals as HT1003 (10" model) 499£ -> 399£. But i know for a fact there is people who don´t want to order the sub from other shop/internet if they are buying a new system, for those REL is very good option as this model is surely miles better than the cheapish 5.1 package subwoofers!
Owners thread for this model:
REL HT/1205 owners thread
I wouldn't want to collect two Arendal Sub 3s at 120kg from a store even if it was local!BK have a 14 day return policy but it's obviously not intended as a try before you buy option, and doesn't specify who pays return costs. I've not asked them if they have any loan units though. Perhaps they do.
The Arendal example is rather different as you say due to cost, plus arranging delivery and return is more complicated than something that could be collected in person from a local store.
You are of course right that there are still means to try out direct sale alternatives though.
I'm thinking of buying two of the XTZ12.17 Edges. I already have the Antinode 2.0 Dual Core and am currently using a BK Monolith DF. I have room issues that can not be fully corrected in any single position in the room but being able to place 2 subwoofers with the Antimode will sort this. Do you think it will be a very noticeable upgrade? I'm about 70% Movies to 30% Music. Any advice would be appreciated.
I'm assuming you bought a new one and it hasn't been run in yet. What sub are you upgrading from and what size room is the new Rel in?Picked one up from RS today will play with it over the weekend - my one concern is that my old REL damaged my Denon AV 3400's sub-out when it was in it's death throes. Initial test tone has hardly any bass even at full volume. Don't panic!