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Region 1 or Region 2

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by themmings, Dec 29, 2002.

  1. themmings

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    I hear conflicting stories about Region 1 and Region 2 DVD's (ones better than the other).

    What's peoples thoughts on this - obviously there are exceptions - but is there a 'general' winner in the quality stakes??

    I know Region 1 can be cheaper, and the titles become available quicker - but is that as far as it goes?

    I'm just about to purchase a multi region Arcam player (DV88Plus) and would appreciate any feedback - like all of us I guess, I just want the best image possible:rolleyes:

    So, do I buy R1 or R2 discs for my collection?

    Thanks in advance...

    Tim:)
     
  2. BLS

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    Now there's a simple question with a complicated answer!!

    First off, there's the question of extras, with different regions offering different extras, and even different sound formats.

    Secondly there's the question of cuts, the R2 version may have scenes cut from the original or the R1 might.

    Thirdly, and most importantly there's quality.

    R1 discs are NTSC
    R2 UK discs are PAL

    NTSC drawbacks are: only 525 lines, and 3:2 pulldown
    PAL drawbacks are: 4% speedup

    I told you it was complicated!
    It's really a question of which drawback you find annoying. Most people don't notice Pal speedup so prefer the PAL format.

    I personally go for the R2 PAL version unless the R1 NTSC is the only one with DTS

    Of course progressive scan and 3:2 pulldown detection might change this!
     
  3. narabdela

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    Also some TV's are better at handling NTSC than others.
     
  4. themmings

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    Thanks for making those points BLS.

    So, over and above the soundtrack side of things (DTS/DD), along with the extra's / potential differences in scenes...

    And given that the Arcam's both a PAL and NTSC Progressive player that will feed a Plasma screen, can I make the assumption that there's no 'generalisation' in image quality between regions 1 and 2?

    :)
     
  5. nathan_silly

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    Region 1's have better sound quality. 480kps. Region 2. 380kps.
    Region 1's have better picture quality. Even though PAL has 100 lines extra, per frame for Region 2's have higher Mpeg compression, therefore they look more blurry.
    Region 1's are cheaper.
    Region 1's are at the correct speed. Region 2's are faster by 4%
    Region 1's are unedited by the BBFC.
    Region 1's boxsets are usually better (ie Young Ones, Blackadder)

    Region 2's usually have more flaws. Galaxy Quest. The Terminator
    Region 2's are usually inferior to the Region 1 version. Terminator 2.

    When you buy a Region 2, some money goes to the BBFC. This money is then spend to try and stop Region 1 importation.
     
  6. Apocalypse

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    Spot on there nathan-silly, couldn't of said it any better. Of the 160 ish DVDs I own most are R1 as you can see if you click the "DVDs" link in my sig.
     
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    Also Progressive Scan is supported natively- Region 1.

    Can work in Regio 2 PAL, but this probably a workaround.
     
  8. Bernard Barnett

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    Themmings, as you can see there really is no easy answer to this. Some people prefer R1, others R2. My view is that PAL is a superior colour system, but as has been said R2 does have drawbacks, and it's also true that there's a much bigger choice of movies on R1. In the end the quality of individual transfer is probably the crucial factor; there's a very good website called (I think) DVDcompare which rates the regional offerings against each other. It also tells you which issues are true anamorphic - another minefield. As your player will handle R1 and R2 equally well, I suggest you mix and match according to DVDcompare's conclusions.
     
  9. TheBigApple

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    What the hell is 3:2 pulldown.
     
  10. themmings

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    Good data points Natahn_Silly.

    Everyone else - comments appreciated.

    Tim:)
     
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    Just go to one of the comparison sites and look up the specific film. It also changes with each release and the different countries in Europe.

    Example :
    Stargate was R1, then R2, now R2 France and the new R1 will probably be the same as the R2 France version.

    Dances with Wolves is R2 Spain
     
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    What about the 20+ subtitle tracks on Region 2? Does it take up alot of space?

    Also noticed things like US Marshalls R2 is Pro-Logic (says on the box English 5.1) Region 1 is 5.1! What about Goldeneye R2 bass channel- horrible! Region 1 disc is fine.

    I personally don't like Region 2 picture quality- this is on several top-end CRT projectors (properly setup) and big TV's. With several good DVD severals. Ok with PAL you don't see scan-lines.

    With NTSC there are visible scan lines (but they disapperar when using a CRT Projector)

    On R2 mist seems to bring out digital artifacts more (pixellation)
    Region 2 just seems to lack detail and sharpess- like if you reduce a TV's sharpness all the way down (or similar to if enable video noise reduction)

    Region 2 seem darker. I would not even buy a Region 2 music DVD.
     

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