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Reg1 OR Reg2 ?????

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by shaunthedude, Apr 21, 2003.

  1. shaunthedude

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    Hi guys

    this may have already been covered but can somone tell me this. If there is a dvd released on Reg 1 and Reg 2 and it has exactly the same content of special features etc and is the same price. Which one do you get. Is the reg 2 gonna give a overall better picture than the reg 1. (scan lines etc)

    cheers
    shaun:confused:
     
  2. nathan_silly

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    I prefer Region 1 anyday... me, mates and brothers opinion (the same).

    Region1 Pros...
    Seem to have sharper, more detail
    Original speed
    60hz, no flicker
    Not edited by BBFC
    Better sound (slightly higher bit rate)
    NTSC Progressive is well supported
    More features & sound formats
    Cheaper


    Region 1 Cons..
    Scan-lines are more noticeable.
    Hassle of import duty/VAT.

    Region2 Pros
    Higher vertical resoultion


    Region2 Cons
    More discs have sound messed up
    Lots more subtitle languages
    Lower audio bitrate
    Edited by BBFC, money goes to stopping Region 1 imports
    Seem to be more fuzzy (higher video compression) & show artifacts up more
    4% speedup (audio & video)
    More expensive.
    Usually less features, sound formats (ie losses DTS mix)
    50hz PAL flicker noticeable on my TV (50hz RP)
    PAL Progressive has taken a while to get right.

    I will never buy Region 2, I will rather pay £50 for one movie on Region 1 than a Region 2 at £10.
     
  3. Daneel

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    Region 2
     
  4. Squirrel God

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    Seem to have sharper, more detail? Varies.
    Not edited by BBFC? No, of course not. BBFC is a UK organisation. They are censored by CARA in the US.
    Better sound? Varies.
    More features & sound formats? Varies.
    Cheaper? Varies.

    Lower audio bitrate? Varies.
    Seem to be more fuzzy? Varies.
    More expensive? Varies.
    Less features, sound formats? Varies. More and more disks are being released on R2 with DTS that didn't have DTS on R1 (Lilo & Stitch, Signs, etc).
     
  5. nathan_silly

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    Like I said, three people's opinion's. My brother has stopped collecting Region 2, now only buys R1.

    My player is a pure R1 player, my next machine will be a unmodified 110V R1.

    A mate has a 110V R1, recently bought a Toshiba R2 player, bought a couple of R2's and will not buy anymore R2's.

    I have connected a R2 player into my RPTV and I have compared R1 to R2. I'll settle for R1 NTSC thanks.
     
  6. Squirrel God

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    I never said you shouldn't, but thought your list of pros and cons was misleading in the aspects I highlighted ;)
     
  7. nathan_silly

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    Pal does seem to show smoke up as fuzzy pixels as digital artifacts up alot more than NTSC though, don't know why.

    And DVD PAL 50hz does look awful on my screen, I guess NTSC 60hz is just helps upp the refresh so it's not visible. Although with terrastial TV there is no flicker. Strange.
     
  8. Squirrel God

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    Not using a TV with PixelPlus or something like that are you?
     
  9. nathan_silly

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    Nope & using several displays- Sony CRT TV, Panasonic CRT TV, a Electrohome CRT front projector, Toshiba CRT TV & Toshiba CRT RPTV.

    SCART RGB, Component, S-Video used.

    Several DVD player's - Pioneer, Toshiba, Sony, Panasonic.
     
  10. Garrett

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    As for the cut go to Rewind at http://www.dvdcompare.org.uk/

    What are the pros and cons of R1, R2 and R4 which, a lot of R4 can be bought very cheap?
     
  11. Quinnsey

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    Lower Audio bitrates? What exactly do you mean by this? Example?
     
  12. nathan_silly

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    Some have 1.5 MB /sec (DTS of Lethal Weapon)

    Standard DTS is now 748K/sec

    Dolby Digital are 448 K/sec or 384 K/sec.

    Higher bitrate means better sound quality. I've noticed R2's (well until brother stoppped buying them) have/had 384 K/sec wheras most R1's (apart from Toy Story & Fifth Element) have 448K/sec.
     
  13. Quinnsey

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    DTS 748K and DD 448K & 384K are standard on R2 as well, are they not? While I am aware that R1 has the advantage of an uncompressed 5.1 soundtrack for Lethal Weapon, you could also argue that R2 has the advantage of a regular DTS track for Back to the Future whereas R1 only has a 384K soundtrack.
    It varies, no one region is better than another in every way.
    EDIT: Also Signs as Squirrel God pointed out above has a DTS track
     
  14. shaunthedude

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    BLIMEY, I did not think this question was gonna start WW3. How about just picture quality then. films produced on dvd by the same company. Which will have the better picture quality??

    Shaun
     
  15. nathan_silly

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    The final nail in the coffin for my brother to avoid Region 2 was Galaxy Quest DD, US Marshalls initial release, Goldeneye, and Lethal Weapon 4.
     
  16. Squirrel God

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    It's really just not as simple as that mate. Although PAL does have a higher vertical resolution, if both DVDs are anamorphic, the R1 might have the better transfer or the R2 might (richer colours, more details etc). You have to judge each DVD on a case-by-case basis by reading reviews etc and then take the plunge. It can be a lot of work.

    Personally I just go for whichever region is cheapest if they're both equal in terms of specs and extras UNLESS I've read something bad about a particular region's transfer or a particular region is censored.

    For example, I had read on Bullets 'n' Babes that Matrix R1 had a poor transfer compared to the R2/4, so I went for the R4 as the R2 is cut. I also am now investigating buying the R4 Special Edition of Reservoir Dogs, because I had to send the R1 SE back because the quality was diabolical (poor contrast, abysmal black level, etc).

    This site will help you locate reviews for various regions: http://www.dvd-basen.dk/uk/home.php3

    Also use www.dvdcompare.net to compare specs, as Garrett said.

    Don't forget as well that R2 is not always PAL (Japan is R2 and they use NTSC). Also, don't neglect R4s (which are usually PAL, but some are now NTSC).
     

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