Recreating cinema bass

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    1. Olliefreddie1

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      So I went to watch Blade Runner 2049 at the cinema last night - utterly brilliant.

      I really noticed the quality of the bass last night and made me question to what extent this is achievable at home.

      I currently have a B&W PV1 which I appreciate can be significantly improved upon but can it be improved upon to the point to recreating the actual cinema experience?
       
    2. kbfern

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      Most definitely and possibly even better than the cinema depending on your budget, your room and the other kit you have in your system.
       
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    3. wenzu78

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      Haven't seen 2049 yet, but been to the cinema a couple times lately [emoji57] I know cinema bass.

      It's epic rumble.

      Dual 8" won't get you when close.

      You need at least a couple of 12" ported. Sealed would be OKish.

      Can you do that?
       
    4. Dolus

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      Maybe one of these but not much change out of 3 grand.
      JBL 5628
       
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      Get a couple of boom boxes, set crossover to about 120 and volume to 11.

      You've now recreated cinema bass, congrats

      ;)
       
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      I'd have to stick a screwdriver through most of my speakers to make it sound "as good" as my local.
       
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      I like my sub as it certainly reproduces more bass than the Vue Cinema nearby. :)
       
    8. Olliefreddie1

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      In response to this I could get one 12 inch sub to go in place of the PV1 but that's about my limit.

      The room is approx 6m by 4m.

      I do like the PV1 but doesn't have the visceral impact I would love.

      Arendal?
       
    9. wenzu78

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      Arendals are 13.8" subs and have been getting great praise recently.

      In your room Sub 2 might be your best bet.

      Let us know how you decide.
       
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      Hi kbfern,

      I know you've been an avid advocate of the XTZ subwoofers since like EVER.
      I currently am looking to upgrade from my dual 'really nice' BK XLS200s, since I want a little omph when watching movies. Mind you, don't get me wrong, the BKs are really tight and nice, especially with music. And having duals helps with movies as well. Especially since I don't really listen at loud levels, having KEF Q100s on front duties :).

      So you get me, it's a very modest set-up, but I would love something more. Firstly was considering to move up to BK XXLS400, than have considered also the SVS PB2000 and now the Arendals.

      If however you were to suggest the 12.17s, what would be the major benefit over the above mentioned units.

      Room dimensions are 15x17 feet not sealed and not dedicated room with an archway opening to one side.

      Looking forwards to hearing your views :)
      Let's get that cinema like BASS at home, shall we?!?!

      Thank you.
       
    12. adam-burnley

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      I was tempted by the XTZ subs (as I have XTZ Cinema Series speakers), but ended up going for a couple of Arendal Sub2's as I was blown away (literally!) after hearing them at another forum members house.

      My room will be 5.2m x 2.5m.
       
    13. wenzu78

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      Yet another vote for the Arendals I see
      Are you using an anti-mode by any chance?
       
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      Well the system isn't setup at the moment as the room isn't ready, but I do have an Anti-mode and plan to use it (if necessary). Why do you ask about the anti-mode?
       
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      Oh. Good luck with finishing your room already!

      Just ordered the Cinema 8033 unit to try and tame a few peaks in the room. Am confident I'll improve the performance on the BKs.

      I already got in touch with Jan, and we discussed dual Sub 1s though.

      Have you ever listened to the 'baby' subs as Arendal like to refer to them?
       
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      No I haven't, only the Sub2 and the Sub3.
       
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      @wenzu78, Hi I have recently upgraded from Dual BK400’s to Dual Arendal SUB1’s & they are a huge improvement all round(the BK400’s are great for the money). I have them stacked & went for SUB1’s as I have limited amount of room, I also use a Cinema 8033 which I’ve found to be a very useful piece of kit in all my setups. My room is approximately 6x4 meters & the room pressurises nicely.
      Hope that helps
       
    18. wenzu78

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      Hi Deuce,

      Really nice of you to drop by.
      Dual Sub1s were a huge improvement over dual XXLS400s ... I need to process this first hehe
      So, bear with me here, what would dual Sub1s do to my system coming from dual XLS200s than?!?!

      I need to get back in touch with Jan I suppose :lesson:
       
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      With the BK400’s there was great bass that made the room pressurise & the settee vibrate but the SUB1’s do the same in far more subtle & controlled way. There’s a lot more texture to the bass & they seem to blend in with the rest of the system far better. The SUB1’s have a lot more output, so much so I have them set to Minimum rather than the reference setting on the rear of the subs.
      BK subs are excellent value for money but you soon realise with the SUB1’s why they cost significantly more.
      Arendal Russell made a comment in the Arendal thread that stacked SUB1’s were roughly the same overall output of a SUB3, I was originally trying to accommodate a SUB2 but after reading that statement I went for the SUB1’s & I’m completely satisfied with my decision.
      With their 60 day return policy you have nothing to lose other than the return shipping.
       
    20. Olliefreddie1

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      The Arendal sub 1 does sound like it might be the answer for me and a decent upgrade on my PV1.

      I do have an Antimode.
       
    21. Deuce

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      Apologies didn’t realise it was your post.
      I haven’t heard a PV1 but from what I gather from other forum members posts it should be a decent upgrade. With regards to the Arendal SUB1 you could try one on the 60 day return & if you like what you hear/feel add another later.
      Arendal say in their advertising the SUB1 is a great way to start just add to it if more bass is required.
       
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      Do you think the move from DF to FF also contributed to this.
       
    23. wenzu78

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      Would moving from a DF to FF ACTUALLY deliver such better tactile detail?

      Am intrigued now [emoji15]
       
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      Wouldn’t have thought so as I have the SUB1’s firing into the side wall at the front of the room, they are at the recommended distance from the wall.
      They have over twice the the gap the DF BK400s had but still firing into a solid surface.
       
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      Just wondered as with FF subs you don't tend to feel much in the floor which may give the impression of more controlled/blended/cleaner bass than an everything vibrating experience, the same way the bass doesn't tend to carry through the rest of the house so much with FF.

      Not for a moment suggesting the SUB1s don't make the biggest difference in their own right though.
       
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      Dual subs are definitely the way forward :thumbsup:

      Dual subs allow you to disperse the bass more evenly over a wider seating area and in most cases eliminate bass nodes! Obviously this is subject to room size and lay out. You may get away with one really good sub but you'll need to identify what your budget is to help reduce your options.

      Demo demo demo wherever you can :smashin:
       
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      I went from dual bk400 to a sub2....massive improvement....then to a single sub3.

      Im based in Preston if anyone wants to hear it......feel it.
       
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      Wow just WOW.

      Very inconvenient I live in Malta [emoji19]

      Than again it's mostly sunny here sooooo [emoji57]

      Anyways, am planning to move up to dual Sub1s in time.
      Coming from dual bk200s df.
       
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      If i may suggest maybe sub 1.5? As the cab is larger its also more efficient, plus gives you the option of ported?

      You lucky sod.....sun sun sun
       
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      Might take you up on that at some point!
       

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