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Recording Raiders of The Lost Ark

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by Shoom, May 11, 2003.

  1. Shoom

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    Hi what whats the best settings and input for Raiders of The Lost Ark which is on BBC 1 at 6:10 today

    I have a new DMR-E50 :clap: and have read all the manual but not sure if I should use SP mode which is 120 mins on dvdr (the film is 110 mins long)

    Would using FR mode give a better picture quality ?

    Best input Sky or Aerial BBC 1 ?

    Thanks for any ideas you might have
     
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    FR will give the better quality as it's going to use a very slightly higher bitrate. It'll be fairly neglible difference though and you may find it easier just to use SP (especially if your 'new' to the machine). Hows that for sitting on the fence :D

    That depends how good your aerial input is! I use Sky but that's because I have a rubbish aerial and can't be bothered to get a new one as I watch very few things non-Sky.
     
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    I would use fr no question, also probably sky. But this depends on your arial. Personally I would use normal bbc1 but only because I get a very good picture and feel sky sometimes looks artificial.
     
  4. Shoom

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    I went for FR mode 110mins on aerial bbc1 used the timer setup started spot on !
     
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    The Box Set is out in November:D
     
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    Everything was going great..recording it to my hard drive..then a huge thunder storm and the bloody picture broke up and dissapeared for about 4 minutes
     
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    Where do you live?
     
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    As Nobber sais, dvd in Nov'. Plus it was in 4:3 anyway.
     
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    Where do you live?

    10 miles north of Leeds
     
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    We could of done with some of the rain down here.
     
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    Yeah,a bit poor it was only in 4:3.Good picture quality though.
     
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    Even though it was 4:3 and the DVDs are out this november, I still decided to record it on my E30. Just had to be done, :D Temple of Doom next sunday guys!!
     
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    The above picture was of the start of the film which was letterbox, but it quickly zoomed into Pan & Scan.

    I recorded the mpeg transport stream from digital terrestrial directly into my PC using Nebula DigiTV so there was no anologue decoding/mpeg re-encoding, but it still looks pretty poor IMHO... look at these screen shots:-

    Indy1.jpg
    Indy2.jpg

    Another thing to consider, as with all BBC 4:3 material, it was transmitted as 4:3 within a 16:9 anamorphic frame, so it has half the horizontal resolution a of normal 4:3 picture. I had to stretch the screen shots out from 720 to 1024 pixels wide to correct the aspect ratio (that's what the set top box does, it reads the AFD code, stretches it out then it chops off the l/r border, see this document about AFD codes)
     
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    Not on Sky digital it wasn't. Pure 4:3 on mine. Was yours imported from a freeview box? Just curious because of those 16:9 black bars on the left and right of your screen grabs. I would go as far as to say the quality of your reciever may not have been up to scratch judging by those screengrabs.

    But you should have recorded the analogue broadcast, it was infinately better.:D
     
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    Those screen grabs were made from playing back the mpeg file with Power DVD. It was not "recorded" from a normal freeview box (which decodes the mpeg stream into anologue video a bit like a dvd player), but it was from freeview. basicly the aerial connects to the card, and the card lets you view and record the raw mpeg stream using software decoding, normally this produces flawless mpeg files because they have not been altered, they are exactly as they were when they were encoded at the broadcasters end.

    I expect it was better on anologue TV in this case because of the lack of horizontal resolution when 4:3 pictures are transmitted by the BBC. The whole of BBC on freeview is transmitted as 16:9 anamorphic widescreen, and 4:3 pictures are squeezed into the middle of the 16:9 frame. The set top box stretches the picture out and crops the sides, so you dont normally notice the difference, but on the PC i'm looking at the actual MPEG data so you can see the difference. Other channels such as ITV use the mpeg header to change the aspect ratio so you get a full frame 4:3 picture when I record it.
     
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    When you record from Sky using a DVD recorder or seperate Hard Disk recorder, what's happening is that the Sky set top box is decoding the mpeg stream into anologue video, goes down the scart cable, then the DVD recorder re encodes the video back into MPEG2. This is not loss-less and the picture will be degraded in the process.
     
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    By that same reasoning viewing Digital via a scart to your TV would mean your TV is re-encoding the MPEG2 stream which is not quite true.
     
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    Uhh???? no it's not, the TV just displays the anologue picture that comes out the set top box (put very simply), there's no digital encoding inside a TV. I tried to explain it but i'm not going further into it. When Temple of Doom is on next week it should hopefully be in widescreen and i'll post a couple of screen grabs.
     
  19. TommyVecetti

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    But with the greatest respect, MPEG artifacts are always more evident and noticable when you are watching on a computer monitor.
     
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    I think I may have confused you a bit because I have both a set top box connected to the TV and the Nebula card inside the PC. Yes MPEG artifacts are easier to see on computer monitors because of their higher definition than TV sets, but I can burn the MPEG stream onto DVD using the DVD writer in the PC, and play it on the TV with the DVD player.
     
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    I see. So you haven't yet viewed it on the TV then? Compared to how compressed BBC usually looks, I was pleasantly suprised.
     
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    Hate to say this, but if it's 110 minutes, the BBC showed the censored version again... they do this all the time. I've watched all three Indy's on BBC at one time or another, and they always cut the more gruesome scenes (e.g. heart-ripping scene in Temple of Doom).
     
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    I just gave up waiting for it on DVD and bought a laserdisc player :)
     
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    Then I hope you didn't do that too recently, since they'll be released on DVD as a box set in December :)
     
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    Raiders was shown UNcut this time. Temple will probably be shown with the BBFC cuts made. (like the UK DVDs will be) Last crusade was more kiddie friendly anyway, and probably uncut.
     
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    Even the DVDs will have the cuts? Why??????????????? So they can slap a PG label on it?

    Thank god for DVDboxoffice.com :)
     
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    Raiders on BBC last week was exactly 1hr:10mins:10secs including credits.
     
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    No way, dude! :eek:
     
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    Don't you mean 1 hr and 50 minutes ;) Or about 110 minutes
     

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