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Recommend me a 23-27" LCDTV with these specs!

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  1. Bluud

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    I need a 23-26" LCD TV for no more than about £1000.

    I need the following things on it:
    Progressive scan
    Component Cable input

    Mostly for DVDs and Gamecube Games. Recommendations please!

    thanks.
     
  2. richjthorpe

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    Sharp LC26GA4E.

    26", Component input, Prog Scan, HDCP Compliant DVI input, response time <16ms, Quick shoot function for fast moving action, cracking tv, c£950.

    Richie.
     
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    Bluud,

    Yup the Sharp Richie has recommended is the one. There are plenty others around for less money and with a lesser specification....

    Jimmy
     
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    thanks that looks like a cracking TV! :thumbsup:
     
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    no other recommendations? Or is this clearly the only TV to get :)
     
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    Sharp LC26A4E ....

    nahhhhhhhhhhh .. it is rubbish don't bother!!!

    ha ha ha ...

    Oh go on then .. get one .. I have one!
     
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    Sharp LC26GA4E - I looked at one in john lewis today and the picture was SIGNIFICANTLY grainier than almost all the others around it (it was only a normal TV signal, but still I couldnt help but notice)

    Does it just respond badly to poor signal?
     
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    Personally I find the Sharp deals quite poorly with a bad signal.

    But if you take the necessary steps and use good connectors and connections to get a good feed to it the quality is good .. very good.

    If you are using component input then your input signal should be good and you will therefore get a good picture.

    If you are going to feed it a bad signal then get a CRT.
     
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    Don't trust JL signals or any other department/electrical store for that matter ! These stores get a signal and split it about 500 times (Count the number of TVs in there). Also, they do not set the tv settings correctly and therefore if the DNR is set to high along with the Sharpness, the picture can look appalling.

    Yes, the Sharp does show up poor quality signals but 80% of the freeview we watch I am happy with. DVDs even through RGB Scart look impressive. Can't wait to get a DVD player with either Component or DVI hooked up to it.

    Check this thread out, it has a few settings for the GA3/4. Take a walk into your JL again with these settings in hand and ask them to connect a DVD player via RGB Scart for the closest thing to Sky or Freeview. Then ask them to view the DVD player through Component or even DVI if they have a player.
    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168684&highlight=GA3/GA4+settings

    Richie.
     
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    What about for 25-30" maybe with freeview but definitely HDTV support? For not much more than £1200. Any ideas?
     
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    errrrrrr ...


    Sharp LC26GA4E ... again?

    Most TVs come in 26, 32 and 37 inch sizes ...

    so asking for 25 - 30 inches still puts you in the same bracket.
     
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    Did see in both the January edition of "Digital Home" and issue 113 of "Home Cinema Choice" something called a LGB-26DTT from Humax.

    Going from the specs (see www.humaxdigital.com/uk/products/dtv_lcd26_lgb-26dtt.asp) it seems the business:
    > 1280x768 resolution
    > Both analogue and digital tuners
    > Component, DVI-D, S-video, etc.. inputs
    > etc..

    Only thing that doesn't get mentioned is if the DVI-D interface is HDCP compliant.

    Anyone got a view on Humax as a company or this particular LCD-TV?

    Cheers,
    Neil
     
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    I believe that the HD Ready label indicates that the DVI socket is HDCP compliant.

    Personally, I'm considering the ViewSonic N3000W 30". It can bought for under £1200 from several on-line shops, is HDCP compliant and has recieved very good reviews.
     
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    I'm restricted with screen width to about 70cm which seems to translate to a 26" widescreen with bottom speakers - hence my interest in the Humax.

    Just had confirmation from Humax UK that the DVI-D input is HDCP compliant. Just want to see it running in the flesh now. Also had a quote from a retailer @ £799+VAT, so £940'ish.
     
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    What about the Sharp 26" LC26GA3E

    That has a bottom speaker and is removeable as well.

    Don't know how it compares PQ wise with a Humax though. Though it is even cheaper than the Humax!

    Can be had for around £877 inc VAT
     
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    Neil,

    the resolution is in a 15:9 format which would put the actual panel as being one of the older types. The newer panels out now are in 16:9 (Usually 1366x768) and have better response times.

    Richie.
     
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    I've got the Humax and it's brilliant. The PQ is better than my Philips plasma and the Humax has two freeview digital tuners built in. The picture I get on digital is perfect although I am in line of sight of the transmitter but using a loft aerial. My only criticism is a bit of fan noise if the sound is turned right down but I haven't got any other LCD set to compare it with so I don't know if that's normal or not. I got it from Scan computers.
     
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    Hi all

    First time here...and enjoying reading the interesting posts going on.

    Has anyone seen/heard anything about the new 32" Humax LCD?
    I'm seriously tempted for this one:
    http://www.humax.co.kr/global/products/dtv_lcd32_32pvridtv.asp

    Reassured by the comments that the Humax 26" seems to be a good screen.

    MilesR
     
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    Where did you get the Humax from?
     
  20. ndavies4

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    Bill,
    That's good to know - thanks. Have you got the exact model I'm looking at: 'LGB-26DTT'? The spec of it on their site only seems to say it has 1 Freeview digital tuner (plus 1 analogue). Was under the impression that the 2 digital tuner spec only came with the PVR versions of their TVs - good news if you are right though!

    Have just managed to get myself invited to Humax's HQ in Kingston to have a look/play (by complete luck I live just round the corner), so can check it out for sure then.

    Also how's the sound using the TVs speaker - was marked down slightly in the "Home Cinema Choice" review. Also what did it cost you from Scan - around £950?

    Rich,
    Is that true - 1366x768 indicates the latest (and greatest) technology, while a 1280x768 resolution would imply last years model? Good to know if that's right. The spec of the Humax mentions "Response Time 16 ms"; what kind of number should one be looking for here?

    Does there then actually exist a 26" or 27" widescreen LCD (with bottom speaker) that is 1366x768 (i.e. true 16:9) which has both an HDMI (or DVI-D) HDCP compliant input and multiple (at least 1 digital) tuners, and comes with a better response time? If so that's the one for me (provided it's <£1k)!

    Cheers,
    Neil
     
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    ndavies4 - the visit to Humax HQ should be fun then!
    See if you can get more info on the 32" model....PLEASE! :) (ie release date, SRP etc.)
     
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    Neil,

    But surely one of your major concerns should be picture quality!

    Yes response time is fairly important, but a slightly higher spec does not always mean better PQ. i.e. there are a lot of computer TFT monitors that have low response times and are actually worse that better screens with higher response times!

    With regard to a digital tuner I personally think it is better to get an external digital tuner as firmware updates are a lot more frequent and quicker than something that is built in. In my experience most "built in" digital tuners come in a separate box anyway.

    As always .. just my own view.
     
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    MilesR,
    The Humax site says the LGB-32TPVR will be available early March '05 and the 26" PVR version early May. Will try to find out more for you though (going there on 18th).

    hoyin,
    To be honest, response times is something I'd never worried about before, it was just in reply to 'richjthorpe's post that got me thinking it maybe was something to consider. As you say PQ is everything, hence my desire to see the thing in the flesh.

    BTW: the cheapest quote for the Sharp 26GA3E you mention is £950'ish via Pricerunner (and £1500 in JL!). Where are you getting it for £877? (note, this is what Pricerunner has the 26GA4E at).
     
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    ndavies4:

    Well actually JL sell it on for £1145 even though the price tag in the shop says £1229??

    I think?

    Anyway www.rgbdirect.co.uk do it for an online price of £877.

    You can get a price match but not with the online price, but regardless I got mine from JL for £901 with 5 years warranty etc. etc.
     
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    Still don't see how you get that price for the Sharp:

    Click on your link and search for 'GA3' - Sharp LC26GA3E gets listed at £979.95.

    Note, re-search on 'GA4' - Sharp LC26GA4E listed at £877.95
     
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    In general terms, yes.

    Actually, that's quite good. The Sharp is quoted at '<16ms' but with a function to speed this time by switching on 'Quick Shoot'.

    Toshiba might do one, but not sure if it's got HDMI/DVI. As Hoyin says, external digital tuners are better as integrated tuners are known for their quality (Unless it's Lowe or Sony according to some). I know Humax's 8000T PVR tuner is really good but the 80Gig version is really poor apparently.

    Richie.
     
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    Much appreciated Neil. It would be nice to get rid of the TV, freeview box & VHS recorder in one shot! :)

    Thanks
    Miles
     
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    Neil
    The Humax definately has 2 digital tuners, you can watch two digital channels at once in split screen. Humax say that is HDCP compliant. It cost me £960 from Scan. The sound seems OK but I am only using it in a bedroom so it is at a lowish level.I would be interested to hear what you find at Humax. You might ask them how to wall-mount it as it has 6 bolt holes in a 100mm x 200mm pattern and most VESA mounts are square. Also the manual shows only 4 holes being used which is what I have done but I am just waiting for it to drop off the wall! I have it on a swivel and tilt arm but the set weighs 23kG, and the bolts seem very small to me.
    Bill
     
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    I've just had the opportunity to see a Humax 26DTT in action (Hughes Norwich - £999).
    Sad to say I was more than a bit disappointed. To be fair to Humax the unit may have not been set up properly. It was working using its internal Freeview (it has 2). The picture was noticably stretched upwards showing the worst signs of a 15:9 screen. I asked the salesman if this could be overcome, even at the expense of a couple of black areas top and bottom. Unsure as to why a customer would ask for such a thing, after all your average customer wants to 'fill the screen' even at the cost of mega distortion, he wrestled with the remote. All this achieved was to 'zoom in' making matters worse. After realising he wasn't going to sell anything and failing to understand the concept of pixels, he admitted that LCD sets were really for people who wanted a slim set and that the CRT tv was still the best picture quality. Honest remark!. He let himself down by saying that the number of 'lines' didn't make a lot of difference.

    I managed to pick up the well produced 18 page glossy brochure. I turned to the 'specs' page and noticed that there was a sticker covering part of the spec on all 4 Humax tv's, including the ones with HDD on board. Couldn't wait to get home and remove the sticker. Underneath it says 'PC grade SXGA video resolution (1280x1024)'. This has been replaced by 'PC Grade WXGA video resolution (1280x768)' NDavies4 might like to ask Humax what that is all about, and can true 16:9 be restored?

    The brochure includes the two big brothers, a 26" and 32" as yet unreleased. Not only do they have a DVI HDCP socket, but also have a USB2 socket. That's got to be a first. All models, including the 17" have a RS232 socket.

    Pity to be disappointed. Nice technology, but shame about the screen even though it was a 16 ms response one.
     
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    Thanks for the post Mike

    It will be interesting to see what Neil picks up from the visit to Humax.
    Also - I think there's going to be a few reviews of the new 32" model (with build in HD & USB2 interface for an external drive) in the magazines in the next month or so...depending on when Humax decide to release.

    I'm still pretty interested in it, providing the picture quality is up to it. Will be interested to see if the 15:9 issue can be overcome (if I understand it correctly)

    Cheers
    Miles
     

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