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  1. dfield2000

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    My HP Deskjet 930C will only print in black now, so I have decided that it's time to buy a new one. Trouble is, there are too many on the market for me choose. I was hoping for a digital camera magazine to have some sort of 'best buy' section on printers, but I can't find any.

    Apart from looking at the 'photo quality' labeling they put on certain printers and the dpi rating, what should I look for ? Can anyone recommend any particular models and / or a good retailer.

    Thanks.
     
  2. nunew33

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    Seperate ink cartridges are worth paying extra for, rather than the black + colour!!!

    No increase in quality, but you dont wast ink when only one colour runs out
     
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    Just got epson830 (app£86) online very good photo printer also does borderless prints . Col. cartridge (epson0 £14 online Black £16
     
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    Epson Stylus 915 :)

    Best one on the market at the mo :)
     
  5. Nic Rhodes

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    Look out for printer (HP) that print in black by mixing colours!
     
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    Epson 915 cheap inks exellent quality:smashin:
     
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    I would recommend avoiding HP printers like they had the plague.

    Recently at work:

    Six HP Deskjet 970s bought within 3 weeks of each other have killed their jets. We've had to replace the printers.

    Three more 970s have thrown their runners. Replaced.

    and the rest are just getting tired and crappy at printing. Being replaced next week

    All are about a year old or so.

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  8. nunew33

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    Canon printers, even cheaper inks!!! and seperate cartridges.

    And not chipped like the epsoms to prevent 3rd party manufacturers.

    Isnt it funny how we all recommend what we own!!! Rather than an objective evaluation
     
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    I own a HP 970, I would not recommend it to anyone. It appears I am not alone in this here :)
     
  10. dfield2000

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    Thanks for all the replies !

    It looks like I won't be buying another HP again !

    I think I'll take minimad's advice and go for the Epson 915 - as long as the price is OK. I haven't looked yet, but I'm hoping it is in the £100 - £150 range.

    thanks again.
     
  11. nunew33

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    canon I850 cheaper than epsom and consumables cheaper too!!!!

    as well as single colour cartridges

    Canon rah rah rah!!!
     
  12. Hugo Junkers

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    Yes but this Canon is only a 4 colour printer where as the Epsoms are 6.

    Do Canon make a 6 colour printer?
     
  13. nunew33

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    If 6 colour printing was a major step change in printing technology then it would become a standard.

    Epsom claims that it makes it closer to a real photo but colour photography uses only 4 filters to get colour not 6 so why should more colours make an improvement.

    The main point of the canon is that the ink cartridges are seperate (I know epson do this on some models) and arent chipped (like the epsons) meaning that cannon in the long run has cheaper consumables (ie you can buy 3rd party cartridges and you buy them when a colour runs out. Im still on my original cyan and red after getting through 2 yellow and 2 black. Any other manufacturer and id have wasted cyan and red ink. And been forced to spend £15-25 rather than £5-£6

    As to wether 6 colour gives a better print over 4 colour, its all a matter of opinion like debating wether DTS is better than Dolby digital.
     
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    I can't comment on the 6 over 4 colours, I've got a Stylus 760!

    I understand what you are saying about the Epson cartridges being chipped, however:

    I wouldn't recommend using a third party cartridge. The ink tends to be of an inferior quality and the inks have a tendency to dry in the jet, thereby (nearly always) rendering the printer useless. Most of the time it's cheaper to buy a new printer than try and replace the jets.

    It should also be noted that using non OEM ink cartridges will immediately invalidate ANY warranty provided by a manufacturer.

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    Thats a bit like saying 16 bit colour is not much different to 24 bit colour.

    I have seen the 2 compaired and both done on Epson printers and you can notice an improved quality on the 6 colour prints.

    For photo quality printers I'm sure we will start to see 6 colours becoming the norm as people start to pick up on it.
     
  16. nunew33

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    Epson 6 colour has been around for a while. And no one else has picked up on it.

    The other thing that puts me off epsoms is their dpi figures. They quote hight figures that are "optimised" not giving the true resolution of the printer. Other features that epsoon have are not unique such as borderless and 25 year colour fixing.

    The only two features that seperate them are 6 colour and claimed optimised dpi. But at a cost. For example quoted figure for full page of photos per colour cartridge is 45 pages. Not a lot!! Especially if there are colour biases and you could be effectively throwing away half full 5 colour cartridges.

    There is no substitute for a lab photo other than some of the home dye sublimation printers. So I would have thought using home printers for printing will never get perfect results as such why pay a premium for something that looks a little better under a magnifying glass, but looks roughly the same when viewed through a picture frame or photo album. If you adopt that philosophy the dpi and 6 colours become less relevant and consumable cost becomes more relevent
     
  17. nunew33

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    I take it all back canon do an 830D 6 ink SINGLE cartridge system (ie one catridge per colour so still has an edge)
     
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    Nunew does something vex thee? :D

    Well personally I still think it's just as cheap to take your flash card to Boots and have it processed there and might I just finish by saying that I have an HP 990 CXI which is ok but not brilliant. :smoke:
     
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    Hugo, something I've never understood about getting a third party (like Boots) to print your photos is how they decide which portion to print. When I downloaded the pictures to my PC they are quite square shaped, so I have to decided which portion to print in the oblong 4"x6" shape. Do you have to crop them first before sending them in ??
     
  20. Hugo Junkers

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    To be honest DField I haven't taken any to Boots yet for them to do but from only 15p a print it's got to be just as cost effective for them to do as it would be to do it from home.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong in this summation.
     
  21. nunew33

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    I agree hugo, I use home printing for framed photos as these rotate and can be disposable and use photolab printing for passing round family or album. Have used photobox so far butwill use jessops once they have a photolab locally.
     
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    quick maths
    Epsom 915 £150
    Cartridges that last 45 10X8s
    Paper 20p a sheet premium photo quality
    Lts say over 2 years you print 1000 10x8s

    Costs = paper £200
    cartridges over period £500 (conservative estimate)
    Printer £150

    So £850 for a thousand prints even if you get 2 pics per sheet
    its over 40p a print even excluding cost of printer its over 35p a print. Even of you cheapened paper its above cost of photolab.

    This excludes making mistakes and using printer for other things.

    All in all its an expensive business printing at home
     
  23. Hugo Junkers

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    Blime Nunew that is quite a lot per picture. I didn't realise just how much more expensive it was.

    So DField our final conclusion to you original question is, get yourself a nice dot matrix printer and take you photo's to be devloped at Boots. :D
     
  24. dfield2000

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    Fair enough.

    Can anyone recommend a good dot matrix ?
     
  25. nunew33

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    Thats why i bleat on about cost of consumables.

    Printing at home aint cheap. I paid £130 for an S500. I pay about £5 for a single cartridge. My father in law bought a £60 epson C30 or 40 or something like that. His cartridges are expensive in the region of £16-£20 from PC world where as even at pcworld canon individual cartridges are £7. Ive relaced all cartridges except yelllow once and yellow twice. Black is just on its way out. Hes replaced both cartridges twice yet I do more printing than he does. I calculate that after 2-3 years he will have spent more in consumables so when we total our costs I will have saved money. We also have a sneaky suspicion that the chipped epsoms have a use by date that stops the cartridge working as the cartridges didnt look empty but the printer insisted the cartridges needed replacing. But thats just a suspicion.
     
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    I agree.

    When I first got into this I thought that I would be saving money by printing my own photo's instead of taking my film to be developed. I was very wrong. However, I think it does balance out because if I used to use up a film of 24 pictures, when they come back from being developed there is usually only half a dozen that are any good. But now I can snap loads of stuff with my digital camera and choose the best ones to print, so I am only paying to see the best ones.
     
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    Wow Nunew, they still sound like pretty cheap cartridges to me. A black one for mine is £20 and a colour one is £30. :eek:
     
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    Im tight fisted. I even did a spread sheet for the most cost effective solution.

    Only one epson used individual cartridges where as the whole canon S range used them. HP dont do it at all and my experience with my £300 (early adopter again) 600C deskjet was enough to put me off HP for life
     
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    Thanks for that Nunew, looks like I might have to sell the HP printer and look at a Canon.
     
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    I popped out at lunchtime to get some prices. I went to comet and PC World (yes, I know these are not the cheapest places to go, and I'd never buy anything in PC World 'cos their customer service is terrible). The Epson was £150 and the Canon £170 in both shops. Can anyone recommend a good retailer who might be able to beat these prices ?

    Thanks Again
     

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