Rear upfirers

tigermad

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I have decided I want to add rear atmos speakers to my current setup. I currently have monitor audio brfx at the rears. Unfortunately I am not able to have ceiling speakers which would be the best option. I can only have atmos speakers that sit on top of my rear speakers. I have Cambridge audio minx as front heights. The rear speakers are only just slightly behind the sofa at an angle due to space. So just to get rear atmos I will need 2 new rear speakers because no atmos upfirers will fit on top (strange shaped). Then 2 upfirers and finally a new AVR to get 5.1.4. Currently have a Denon Avrx2200w Seems a lot of money just to get rear upfirers in my setup. Crude pic of my current setup below. The sofa we use mainly is the one by the tv with the rear speakers.
Can anyone think of any alternatives? Thanks

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ShanePJ

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I can see you have BRFX rears which are not perfect for Atmos solutions as Atmos is really about focused imaging from the speakers whereas the BRFX create an very wide spread of audio thanks to the dual tweeter system (which was perfect for conventional 5.1 surround sound speakers).

So that will be something else to add to the system if you find it detriments the Atmos experience. Back to the Atmos, as you have the Minx (which I know other AVForums members use for Atmos duties), could you not try them as Atmos speakers to see how they work with the BRFX rears you own. If you don't get on with them, If you don't enjoy how the FX interact with the Atmos experience, you replace the BRFX's and put that money towards the Bronze 50's with the Bronze AMS which will sit very nicely together helping you sort the rear of the room out for you with both looks and performance levels

As a rule, you can really pick and choose what speakers you use for Atmos, so keeping with the same brand is not an absolute hence me mentioning using the Minx's for the experiment. You may find that you also love the combination, just remember to angle them to the correct area for the seating plan
 

gibbsy

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Matching Atmos speakers isn't a problem. Timbre balancing is not what Atmos is really about. Receivers will allow for a set up with mixed positions for Atmos, ie, wall alongside upfiring modules.
 

tigermad

Distinguished Member
I can see you have BRFX rears which are not perfect for Atmos solutions as Atmos is really about focused imaging from the speakers whereas the BRFX create an very wide spread of audio thanks to the dual tweeter system (which was perfect for conventional 5.1 surround sound speakers).

So that will be something else to add to the system if you find it detriments the Atmos experience. Back to the Atmos, as you have the Minx (which I know other AVForums members use for Atmos duties), could you not try them as Atmos speakers to see how they work with the BRFX rears you own. If you don't get on with them, If you don't enjoy how the FX interact with the Atmos experience, you replace the BRFX's and put that money towards the Bronze 50's with the Bronze AMS which will sit very nicely together helping you sort the rear of the room out for you with both looks and performance levels

As a rule, you can really pick and choose what speakers you use for Atmos, so keeping with the same brand is not an absolute hence me mentioning using the Minx's for the experiment. You may find that you also love the combination, just remember to angle them to the correct area for the seating plan
Thanks for the reply. I cant try the minx as Atmos rears because there is no wall on the side of the sofa that juts out. One would have to go on the very rear of the room and we won’t get the effect there. I am guessing the best way is just to change to upfirers then on new rear speakers. What’s the best av receiver that can do 5.1.4 that doesn’t cost £1000. I like Denon myself.
 

Fergal82

Distinguished Member
Would these be any good?

 

tigermad

Distinguished Member
Would these be any good?

Thanks. I was looking at that setup the other day. Are those rear/front speakers and Atmos rolled into one? Shame the whole setup is only £200 more :)
 

Fergal82

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Thanks. I was looking at that setup the other day. Are those rear/front speakers and Atmos rolled into one? Shame the whole setup is only £200 more :)
Yeah I think they’ve been designed to be used up front but sure I read somewhere that someone was using them as rears.

Supposing you have enough space I’m sure it’s something to consider.

@lgans316 was it you saying that you were using them as rears? Apologies if not
 

tigermad

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Yeah I think they’ve been designed to be used up front but sure I read somewhere that someone was using them as rears.

Supposing you have enough space I’m sure it’s something to consider.

@lgans316 was it you saying that you were using them as rears? Apologies if not
Thanks these sound ideal for me
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Thanks for the reply. I cant try the minx as Atmos rears because there is no wall on the side of the sofa that juts out. One would have to go on the very rear of the room and we won’t get the effect there. I am guessing the best way is just to change to upfirers then on new rear speakers. What’s the best av receiver that can do 5.1.4 that doesn’t cost £1000. I like Denon myself.
Denon AVR X3700 is the cheapest nine channel out of the box but is £1100. Bad time to buy this time of the year. Product prices usually start falling around March in a normal year, but these last 12 months have been far from normal.

Denon AVC-X3700H (Black) | Dolby Atmos AV Receiver | Richer Sounds
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Blimey, bit steep. Maybe i can get a used one of some kind from the classifieds
Look for the X4500 in the classifieds that's a very good unit.
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Yeah one popped up the other day for £625 with 11months warranty, kicking myself now for missing it.
Just look on evil bay and some of the prices for old kit is all over the place, someone asking £1200 for the X4100. I hope he's not holding his breath.
 

Fergal82

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Just look on evil bay and some of the prices for old kit is all over the place, someone asking £1200 for the X4100. I hope he's not holding his breath.
Places like Peter Tyson don’t help, listing trade ins for silly money yet they seem to sell??
 

John7

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I can see you have BRFX rears which are not perfect for Atmos solutions as Atmos is really about focused imaging from the speakers whereas the BRFX create an very wide spread of audio thanks to the dual tweeter system (which was perfect for conventional 5.1 surround sound speakers).

Really? I always believed (and sure I have read) that Atmos speakers are meant to have wide field to create a "bubble" of sound? Maybe I misunderstood....
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Places like Peter Tyson don’t help, listing trade ins for silly money yet they seem to sell??
I bought my X6500 from PT just before lockdown in March, £1000 under the original price from a year before. Traded in my old X6200, also bought of PT and five years old. DPD totally destroyed it in transit. PT honoured their top end trade in commitment.
 

tigermad

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I bought my X6500 from PT just before lockdown in March, £1000 under the original price from a year before. Traded in my old X6200, also bought of PT and five years old. DPD totally destroyed it in transit. PT honoured their top end trade in commitment.
How much is my avrx2200w worth do you think (trade in)?
 

tigermad

Distinguished Member
I bought my X6500 from PT just before lockdown in March, £1000 under the original price from a year before. Traded in my old X6200, also bought of PT and five years old. DPD totally destroyed it in transit. PT honoured their top end trade in commitment.
Have asked Peter Tyson how much they will part ex mine for agains the X3700H
 

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