didn't buy into the whole hand sanitiser thing? what an odd statement? there is not a lot to buy into, it works
Anything in doors run the risk of passing COVID-19 and my sister in-law got COVID from indoor 2 meters away. Fortunately her x didn't get COVID as he in the at risk group and both of her Kids could have passed it on.
The same thing would happen in Restaurants and Pub and more like as if 1 in 150 people go to the pub the you might say the you can Guarantee 1 person every day who visits has COVID. Staff/Room can pass it on the 1 to the other 150 people and so on.
So basically your idea is that the loss of a few people i.e. 1 in 10000 is ok so that you can go to the pub. Personally I don't think I am at risk, but for others I need to follow the rules and keep this under control.
I suspect we are already at the point in the current lockdown where more are dying each day from the effects of lockdown than the disease the lockdown is being implimented to prevent.
I'd say you were quite wrong.
If we didn't lockdown COVID would have continued to spread and multiply to the extent hospitals were overwhelmed and medical staff had to decide who to treat and who to quietly let die on a trolley in a corridor, alone.
The whole 1 in 10000 vs. being able to go to the pub is actually a great example of the hysteria I am trying to highlight.
Keeping everything shut to save 1 in 10000 from COVID will probably cost the lives of many more in that group of 10000 who will die from other causes.
I suspect we are already at the point in the current lockdown where more are dying each day from the effects of lockdown than the disease the lockdown is being implimented to prevent.
You want restrictions lifted, yet the country only has a small percentage of fully vaccinated citizens (both doses).
You want to be able to go to the pub. It's worth the risk.
But you approve of lockdown and think it's saving lives?
Suspicion and evidence are two different things.
And it's not like once Covid patients are discharged from hospital that's the end of pressure on the NHS. This makes sobering reading
Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months
BMJ analysis of 48,000 records also finds one in eight patients die within four months of dischargewww.theguardian.com
And setting aside the issue of lockdown/restrictions we need to get our heads around the fact this virus poses not only a "crisis" threat to medical facilties in the UK at the time of the acute phase of the disease but is going to be a longer term demand on them. A demand that did not exist before December 2019.
So however infection is "limited" it needs to be because even if people "survive" we are simply adding more and more demand on the NHS in the future....and probably adding to the benefit bill as well.
One dose = immunity.
You obviously have little in the way of argument which is why you went straight to quoting tropes ie. "just want to go the pub".
The whole 1 in 10000 vs. being able to go to the pub is actually a great example of the hysteria I am trying to highlight.
No, it really isn't.
~70% isn't immunity.
Immunity would be 100%
Vaccines reduce the severity of symptoms by a lot, so I don't think the issues in your link are going to be a big problem going forward.
What is YOUR endgame?
Well we won't get 100%
One dose = immunity.
To vaccinate the country to a level that we can gradually reduce restrictions and make sure the NHS can cope and resume its normal operations.
To reopen once it's presumed to be safe enough and do so gradually and monitor it. Not just open everything for a free for all now a large percentage has been partially vaccinated.
So we won't have immunity after one dose then?
The 2nd dose increases the vaccine efficacy.
Your words.
Probably best as you didn't really have an argument.Sticking you on ignore.
Trolltastic.
Probably best as you didn't really have an argument.
I would argue that you were trolling though as you didn't have an argument but just a firm position.
... The 2nd dose increases the vaccine efficacy.
I think this goes back to a point you made in your opening post about the responsibility being passed back to the citizens. Inevitably it will have to happen.Turn of phrase. Didn't use it. Obviously didn't need to. My presumption would be that my hand hygiene was already good enough.
Sit inside and be really, really angry.Well we won't get 100% so do we accept society is finished.
What is YOUR endgame?
So you are firmly in the camp of hide or die?