Rant against Sky and stupid dying tv companies

Dracutus

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I just cant believe how stupid Sky is in its infantile thinking. Here's my argument. It is without a shadow of a doubt that Sky's main competitor is Netflix or Amazon and if either one of those wants to start doing live TV, then Sky can probably declare itself on suicide watch , and set up house with Aunty Beeb.
So why does it believe that the competitor that it has to pummel at all cost for years if not decades is Freesat? No really, Freesat!! God only knows why ,(is it OFCOM?), just does nothing. Here we go.. Sky is conspiring to hold HD channels off Freesat. It has been doing this for years. Nobody can deny this point, it is simply the truth. Channel4 HD is the latest to be strong armed off Freesat. Well done SKY, brilliant tactics .Brilliant!. You've really shown how brave you are against Netflix.
HD has been out for a long time, and my argument is all channels on Freesat should be available in HD..Netflix has HD for everything and 4k HDR on a lot of things. I've totally stopped watching SD stuff, so goodbye Channel 4 and Channel 4 news or any other thing on 4..Well played.
So, Sky, TV companies or OFCOM or whoever, You need to bang heads together,form allies and get Freesat up to standard..HD all channels.. You haven't got long left before you all go to the wall.
 
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Struggling to understand what Sky has to do with C4HD leaving Freesat?

There is 'Freesat', owned by ITV and BBC, and 'Freesat from Sky' which is something entirely different.
 
Ofcom should do their jobs and investigate why C4 HD has stopped broadcasting on freesat. Would just love to hear a reply.
 
Freesat raised the price for epg channel 4 wouldn't pay the raised price.. So freesat has taken channel 4HD and the all 4 on demand service from freesat boxes... This has absolutely nothing to do with sky... It was a dispute between Channel 4 and freesat over carriage costs.
 
I only talked about Freesat. Stop spinning for Sky.

I'll say again: SKY has conspired for years to keep HD channels off Freesat. Ofcom do nothing .
 
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You can't say for certain they've not played a role / taken advantage of a situation etc. . By the balance of probability equations .. I wouldn't put money on it.
 
You can't say for certain they've not played a role / taken advantage of a situation etc. . By the balance of probability equations .. I wouldn't put money on it.
If it had anything to do with Sky C4HD would have gone FTV and not stayed FTA
 
  1. This is what I watch these days.. YouTube HD or 4K, Netflix HD or 4K hdr, Amazon Prime HD or 4K hdr, some TV Freesat HD, no SD. If TV companies want more ppl like me to watch TV, then the minimum quality has to be HD, The SD channels will all die like black and white. Freesat , BBC, ITV, SKY, Ofcom need to understand that Colour HD is now minimum standard for broadcasting and if they do not implement it quickly throught all broadcasting mediums, then TV will become an irrelevance.
 
All TV should be HD on freesat you say?
Na, I think freesat should be SD only. All hd should be a premium service for people with money like myself,I know how much Murdoch needs my money,it's almost like giving to charity.
In fact I would pay more for hd if sky could get itv hd of there as well. Fuzzy vision is more than good enough for the lower classes..you can have the BBC ,far to socialist for my taste. Oh and ch5 hd as well,only people with very limited brain power watch " I have 77 kids with 100 men and I demand a tax payer funded mansion in the Cotswolds..." It's why Bob specifically instructed sky executives to let it go FTA ,but ch4hd has some thought provoking content,just about right for sky's obviously intellectually superior viewers...5HD is about the right intellectual level for freesat viewers,you can keep that one...[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] .
 
What a load of bull
 
Again, Sky spinners trawl forums like these and for what for?I never suggested all TV HD on Freesat. Stop spinning. btw it's "far too socialist"
 
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Again, Sky spinners trawl forums like these and for what for?I never suggested all TV HD on Freesat. Stop spinning. btw it's "far too socialist"
"and my argument is all channels on Freesat should be available in HD.."

Your words in your original post my friend[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
 
I think FreeSat and FreeView are Sky’s competitors.

Yes there is Amazon Prime and Netflix but they are premium paid services and offer quite a narrow range of entertainment, a vey different viewing experience. I can’t imagine that many people just have Prime or Netflix.

I think Sky’s interest in Free To View is the huge untapped market of people who are currently not taking any paid services. They are probably concerned about the FTV services improving and becoming good enough that the majority of UK households see no need in paying for any premium services.

Cheers,

Nigel
 
I still don’t understand what SKY have to do with Freesat upping their epg fees and C4 pulling out?
 
Well you keep saying that all Freesat channels should be HD, but no mention of who is going to pay for it. (C4 obviously isn’t) Netflix, Amazon, Sky etc. can do it because they charge users to view the content. (The more content you want, the more you have to pay, that’s how capitalism works)

Bill
 
Well you keep saying that all Freesat channels should be HD, but no mention of who is going to pay for it. (C4 obviously isn’t) Netflix, Amazon, Sky etc. can do it because they charge users to view the content. (The more content you want, the more you have to pay, that’s how capitalism works)

Bill
Truth is that ch4 decided it needed to cut costs. Sky and virgin generate revenue. Ch4 are stakeholders in freeview and youview. So that leaves poor old freesat. The platform with the least viewers and the least amount of revenue generated by advertising. It's a no brainer that there was where the axe would fall.
The freesat fan boys just take every opportunity to blame sky every time commercial realities slap them in the face. I would imagine ch5 are in a similar position with 5hd on freesat..they may have just joined but ch4 pulling out may just make them revaluate there relationship with freesat. If freesat loses another big name then any chance it had of been a serious alternative to freeview or any other platform will be gone forever.
 
And there was me wondering why C4 epg had disappeared. As someone who rarely watches tv at the time of broadcast I am now unlikely to watch anything on C4.
 
On reflection, it's far more the case that it's the big rise in Freesat channels with so many new channels and channels that have moved from $ky to Freesat that have (have) affected channel 4 's viewing figures. Their main channel, Channel 4 & presumably the +1 have maintained audience figures, but it's their other channels, More 4, E4, 4seven have lost ground (official reported viewing figures) & it's those that are more likely to have been hit by so many of the new channels that carry docu TV ie very much their genre.

It's those drops in viewing figures on the other C4 channels will have played a role in the build up to this,

in other words .. the RISE of Freesat.

Freesat has had a lot of new channels launched or had channels moved over from $ky by several big broadcasters including Discovery Network Sony UK , Premier Sports

There's a lot of channels on there now or on Freesat & free to air which is what I see more of ie no distinction between if they are on Freesat (epg) or Free To Air. I think the Freesat epg might mask the extent it's expanded.

As far as SD HD UHD HDR. .. I spent a few years in the studio & you should have more respect for 'overall' quality rather than those boundaries.. especially HOW lossy compression actually works & especially with movement! .

I'd sooner see better quality rich SD than obviously bit starved HD or higher quality HD than bit shaved UHD & I'm not impressed with this over peeking colours / contrast / sharpness well beyond the original, it may be eye candy in tv shops that help sell tellys, but it's not real & they haven't come up with a way of turning it down when you definitely don't want it eg for facial close ups of women of a certain age & its exaggrating of their wrinkles .. they need a digital equivalent of the vasalene on the lense & eye highlighting .. IMO.
 
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$ky have nothing to do with the C4HD decision.

My theorem (and probably wild conjecture): Perhaps C4 wanted / intended to, in the near future, add E4, More 4, 4seven etc.,. as FTA HD channels on satellite (i.e. outwith the $ky paywall), and maybe even drop their SD equivalents (dual emission costs money)... but the recent increase in freesat HD epg fees on freesat made that a tad more expensive than they wanted. So toys, pram, out....

The undeniable fact, though, is that these epg fees are a drop in the ocean of C4's costs in coding, muxing and transmitting services. Plus, freesat is a 'not for profit' organisation and all fees are the same for all broadcasters... so quite what C4 are playing at is a mystery.
 
The only people who may be pleased by C4HD's removal from Freesat are C4's regional advertisers. C4 sells its advertising regionally and there are six regional versions of C4SD on satellite, but only one of them (London) in HD. Viewers in the rest of the country watching C4HD were not seeing their correct regional adverts, but they will be now that they have to watch in SD.
 

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