I appreciate you have a difficult job policing these threads, but I feel the closure of the thread is a little hasty to say the least. You make a valid point about gaining evidence, and you are correct it probably is unlikely that Microsoft have deliberately modified the firmware only to produce the RROD for a reduced number of system errors. My point was that I hear more people complaining of this issue than before...a system error with no RROD. It may be that MS's firmware updates may have inadvertently caused this problem to increase and may not be a deliberate ploy to get out of honoring warranties. Either way if this is an issue then owners and Microsoft deserve to be aware. And the evidence? Well i can think of no better place than to question users about their opinions on what could be a very useful and open forum, can you? Thanks.