Qiyu 3 - Chinas answer to the Quest2.

Atmos

Well-known Member
With FB banned in China it wans't going to be long before the void was filled.

IQIYI announced the QIYU3 which takes full advantage of the same Qualcomm XR2 chip seen in the Quest2. The specs looks good. This headset could outperform the Quest2 with it's twin LCDs v one in the Quest2's, has a sliding IPD v three clicks on Quest2, better cooling for higher clock speeds and wider FoV.

See list of specs below.

It's not yet known if this headset will get released outside of China. No price yet.

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  • Qualcomm Technologies' Snapdragon XR2 platform, which is capable of CPU and GPU performance twice as powerful as its predecessor, supporting 8K video at 60fps. Snapdragon XR2 also features a dedicated CV processor for VR algorithms and is adaptable to HD dual displays and many immersive multimedia and artificial intelligence (AI) features;
  • With two separate customized 2.89" fast LCDs, Qiyu 3 will achieve monocular resolution of 2160*2160, the highest in the industry. Qiyu 3 will have 43% more effective pixels than Oculus Quest2's built-in 5.46" single screen;
  • Supporting continuous IPD adjustment in the range of 58-72mm, Qiyu 3 will perfectly match the pupillary distance of 94% of users, targeting a population four times larger than that of the Quest2;
  • Qiyu 3 will secure the leading position for FoV through its separate dual screens and continuous IPD adjustment;
  • Using an ultra-thin silent fan, 6mm heat pipes, air duct design and stacked fins, Qiyu 3 features a three-dimensional cooling system to ensure long-term stable operation during continuous high-load CPU operation;
  • Seamlessly supporting Wi-Fi6, Qiyu 3 will deliver a seamless and smooth performance during the operation of large-scale video games.
 
Can the displays do 120Hz though..? And will it allow you to play PC VR games.

A Quest 2 and a VPN will be a better bet for people in China I would have thought: superior software, wireless and tethered PC VR play and the ability to play games at 120Hz.


Saw someone on Facebook the other week in China that brought one into the country. fudge knows how he managed it but there must be ways. Pretty sure he said he was using a VPN to get around the Facebook ban.


In other completely unrelated news I had my first COVID-19 jab today! Just three weeks for my antibodies to kick into gear and I won't be sh*tting bricks every time I leave my flat! This last year has been VERY stressful for me cos of Covid-19 😲
 

outoftheknow

Moderator
In other completely unrelated news I had my first COVID-19 jab today! Just three weeks for my antibodies to kick into gear and I won't be sh*tting bricks every time I leave my flat! This last year has been VERY stressful for me cos of Covid-19 😲
Just to say glad you have had the first jab - however no more on that topic on this thread please folks. There are other threads for that :)
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
Can the displays do 120Hz though..? And will it allow you to play PC VR games.

A Quest 2 and a VPN will be a better bet for people in China I would have thought: superior software, wireless and tethered PC VR play and the ability to play games at 120Hz.

It goes to show how other manufacturers are starting to partner with Qualcomm. FB don't have a monopoly here. When you have 3 or 4 companies with headsets in the market on the same upgrade cycle their will be a choice of FB login or no FB login.

It won't be such a woohoo look at me, I'm winning a one horse race here.
 
It goes to show how other manufacturers are starting to partner with Qualcomm. FB don't have a monopoly here. When you have 3 or 4 companies with headsets in the market on the same upgrade cycle their will be a choice of FB login or no FB login.

It won't be such a woohoo look at me, I'm winning a one horse race here.

But like I've mentioned the Quest line of headsets will always have the advantage of having better software and more software to use, and of course it's always going to have a price advantage too.
 

huxley

Member
But like I've mentioned the Quest line of headsets will always have the advantage of having better software and more software to use, and of course it's always going to have a price advantage too
Based on what? we don't know what the software this thing will have or the game, apps etc.
 
Based on what? we don't know what the software this thing will have or the game, apps etc.

Based on an established precedent, the Oculus Go compared to the Xiaomi Mi.

And the same will happen with the Quest 2 and any competing headset from a third party here in the West too. The Quest platform has been available for YEARS, if Sony or Valve or Samsung or any other headset manufacturer releases a Quest competitor the Quest 2 will have the advantage of more and better software available for it on day one, and because Facebook have money coming out of their ears they're quite happy to sell it at cost.

Can you see Valve or Samsung doing this? Highly unlikely. You MIGHT find Sony selling a Quest competitor at cost but it won't have a software library anywhere near as big or anywhere near as good, barring a few exclusives.

For Sony it's basically going to be a repeat of the PSVR vs PC VR headsets. PC VR headsets had been out for so much longer, developers had been developing for PC VR headsets for free for years.

If Sony suddenly announce the PSVR 2 headset I won't go anywhere near developing for it, same with the vast majority of developers, because it's going to be WAY too expensive to develop for.

Facebook basically have the standalone market sewn up I think.
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
But like I've mentioned the Quest line of headsets will always have the advantage of having better software and more software to use, and of course it's always going to have a price advantage too.

This is what you said about the Rift line and look how that turned out.

99% of Indie Devs will port their OpenXR games to what ever platform gives them a return. Valve would fill the 1% will exclusives and Bethesda and other devs who don't like FB will out class FB exclusives on every level.

If you think FB is going to be the global front runner for VR gaming in 5 years you will be shocked.
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
Can you see Valve or Samsung doing this? Highly unlikely.

Lol so FB with no prior hardware or software experience is going to beat Valve and Sony who have Index, PSVR, Alyx and Resident Evil etc. FB will beat two companies whos very bred and butter is Gaming platforms???

FB will all their money already got beat with regard to PCVR and it will happen again with Standalone VR. Just because they haven't doesn't mean they won't.

It's like - Valve won't release a PCVR headset, oh they did. Well Valve won't release a dedicated Half Life for VR, oh they did. How many times does Valve have to prove you wrong?
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
Just to make things clear. I think China will have their own plaform while the west will have FB and a rival Open XR platform supported by most VR devs and hardware manufacturers.

So FB v OpenXR v China. FB will lose that battle. Sony will have their own HMD and store.

Unless FB make the Quest3 an OpenXR headset then the arguement becomes mute.
 
The Quest and Quest 2 are OpenXR headsets if you develop your game using the OpenXR SDK, I think Oculus are only receiving Submissions for OpenXR games these days. 😉

For a rival OpenXR platform to be successful in terms of developers supporting it they're going to need a decent sized adoption of customers to sell their games to. And for that to happen you're going to need headsets to sell. And for headsets to sell the manufacturers of said headsets are going to need a competitive price. Valve and Samsung, assuming that they do end up releasing standalone headsets at all, won't come close to a £299 price point.

The only hardware company that might do that is Sony, and they've pretty much given up on portable gaming since they've had so many comparative flops in that space. Someone discovered a patent for another handheld gaming device late last year but it was in console form, not in VR headset form.

And regarding your first post Bethesda are fine with Oculus/Facebook since Zenimax sold them to Microsoft.
 
I was there is in 94 - its uncommon but its not unheard of....

Lol so FB (Sony) with no prior hardware or software experience is going to beat Valve and Sony (Sega & nintendo )who have Index, PSVR, Alyx and Resident Evil etc (Genisis,gameboy,SNES, mario and sonic etc). FB (Sony) will beat two companies whos very bred and butter is Gaming platforms???
 

Thug

Moderator
Why does someone have to ‘beat’ someone else?
Why is it a competition?
Surely there is room for both to live side by side.
You don’t hear anyone saying LG has beat Panasonic in TV sales, or Vauxhall has beat Ford in car sales.
I’m sure people post here just to wind others up and cause friction.

Having said that, FB does have many years experience of mainstream VR and a mainstream VR dedicated store. Probably more than all the others. They have also sold more units than probably all the other put together (just a complete guess).
They could also collaborate with someone else who do specialise in hardware like they did with Lenova.

But at the end of the day, does it really matter?
As long as the buyers enjoy what they buy (whichever it may be) and VR prospers.
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
Why does someone have to ‘beat’ someone else?
Why is it a competition?
Surely there is room for both to live side by side.
You don’t hear anyone saying LG has beat Panasonic in TV sales, or Vauxhall has beat Ford in car sales.
I’m sure people post here just to wind others up and cause friction.

Having said that, FB does have many years experience of mainstream VR and a mainstream VR dedicated store. Probably more than all the others. They have also sold more units than probably all the other put together (just a complete guess).
They could also collaborate with someone else who do specialise in hardware like they did with Lenova.

But at the end of the day, does it really matter?
As long as the buyers enjoy what they buy (whichever it may be) and VR prospers.

Why do FB sell the Quest2 at cost? Why do FB subsidise Oculus to make it the attractive package it is? Why don’t FB support the whole VR community like Valve and HTC do? FB are making this into a race, I’m just a commentator watching this go down.
 

Thug

Moderator
Why do FB sell the Quest2 at cost? Why do FB subsidise Oculus to make it the attractive package it is? Why don’t FB support the whole VR community like Valve and HTC do? FB are making this into a race, I’m just a commentator watching this go down.
Because that is business.

No matter what someone sells they want to sell more than the next and make more money.
Everyone wants the largest slice of the pie.

The Quyi 3 also wants a slice of this pie, which is also fine.

Is that going to effect those (the likes of you and I) who prefer the Index or the G2 (at this moment)?
Probably not, in the short run. In the long run it could effect things quite a lot (but then something new will be mainstream like AR).
JVC also have something coming out soon too, with 120fov but only 62/4Hz. They also want a slice of the pie.
I have no loyalty and i dont care who 'wins', just as long as we (the end user), get the best deal/VRHMD for us.

I do believe that FB (or Oculus) have ploughed more money into VR though, so to say they haven't supported the VR community is not fair.
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
Because that is business.

No matter what someone sells they want to sell more than the next and make more money.
Everyone wants the largest slice of the pie.

The Quyi 3 also wants a slice of this pie, which is also fine.

Is that going to effect those (the likes of you and I) who prefer the Index or the G2 (at this moment)?
Probably not, in the short run. In the long run it could effect things quite a lot (but then something new will be mainstream like AR).
JVC also have something coming out soon too, with 120fov but only 62/4Hz. They also want a slice of the pie.
I have no loyalty and i dont care who 'wins', just as long as we (the end user), get the best deal/VRHMD for us.

I do believe that FB (or Oculus) have ploughed more money into VR though, so to say they haven't supported the VR community is not fair.
I said FB don’t support the whole VR community and they don’t. Valve supports every headset. HTC supports every headset. OpenXR is designed to support every headset. FB does not support every headset snd as far as I’ve read why only pump money into their own Rift/Quest platforms. FB has no interest supporting rival headsets/platforms.
 

Thug

Moderator
I said FB don’t support the whole VR community and they don’t. Valve supports every headset. HTC supports every headset. OpenXR is designed to support every headset. FB does not support every headset snd as far as I’ve read why only pump money into their own Rift/Quest platforms. FB has no interest supporting rival headsets/platforms.
I suppose they don't, in the same way Apple don't support the whole mobile phone community, EA don't support the whole game programming community, football doesn't support the whole sports community.
My point is, why does it matter, just as long as you like/enjoy what you like.
Why does every thread have to be about the demise of FaceBook/Oculus? Maybe this headset will be the final nail in the coffin of Sony or Vive every bring out out a standalone HMD?
My guess is that this HMD will go the same way as the Primarks, very niche and although good wont do better than anyone.

This discussion is good, but done to death in the VR Gaming Chat forum, so doesn't need to be repeated in every other forum too.
 
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huxley

Member
I guess the goal in the long run would be VR headsets would become like a PC of sorts, it runs its own OS but you would have a choice of stores. I wonder what this new Chinese unit will offer?
I would of thought it would be open source if released over here, which I consider it would be of cheaper quality.

time will tell
 

Atmos

Well-known Member
I suppose they don't, in the same way Apple don't support the whole mobile phone community, EA don't support the whole game programming community, football doesn't support the whole sports community.
My point is, why does it matter, just as long as you like/enjoy what you like.
Why does every thread have to be about the demise of FaceBook/Oculus? Maybe this headset will be the final nail in the coffin of Sony or Vive every bring out out a standalone HMD?
My guess is that this HMD will go the same way as the Primarks, very niche and although good wont do better than anyone.

This discussion is good, but done to death in the VR Gaming Chat forum, so doesn't need to be repeated in every other forum too.

Saying FB ploughed more money into VR than any other company is a bit missleading. Do you factore in how much Valve has ploughed into Steam over 20 years to get to VR in 2021? Or do we start counting only when FB bought Oculus? You see people have very narrow viewpoints and don't take the big picture into account. For example if I bought a house 24 years ago for 250k and had one year left on my mortgage say 10K. And you bought a house for 150k and paid cash. Does that mean your house has 15 times more value? Of couse not this is why Valve have a huge game store compared to VR on Steam which is now at 2% for comparison. Who knows how Quest sales compare to PCVR sales.

If GabeN see VR as a threat to traditional gaming do you think he'll pack his bags and sail off into the sunset? Or will he take the technology Valve have developed and throw that into a Standalone with an XR2/3/4 chip into completely nullifying FB? I mean the gloves came off when Valve released the Index. FB gave up handed the reigns to Lenovo to eventually quit dedicated PCVR
altogether.

History will repeat it's self when it come to Hybrids, we just haven't got that far yet.
 

outoftheknow

Moderator
Mod comment

Ok folks - as mentioned already in numerous threads, can we keep each thread on topic please? This one is a question about a Chinese product taking over form an existing leader in teh field of VR. Kindly stop introducing the evils of Facebook into every VR thread. There are threads (and one specific one) for the evils of Facebook having bought Oculus


Simply starting those extraneous conversations in any thread vaguely related to Oculus makes every thread tedious and difficult for members to join in the actual intended thread topic.

End Mod comment
 

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