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Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by fredl, Aug 31, 2002.

  1. fredl

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    I'm considering buying my DMR-E30 from the UK since the difference in price is huge. Can you select which PAL system to use with the built in tuner?`

    Obviously RGB will still work, but I need that tuner to work here in Sweden.

    Thanks!
     
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    I don't think its available here yet, it was supposed to be available in August.
     
  3. fredl

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    It has arrived in some London shops, and with the abundance of early adopters in this forum I thought someone would have snagged one by now. :)

    I will bide my time for a while longer.
     
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    Panasonic U.K. have sent them out to shops in last couple of weeks, noticed U.K. model does not have component video outputs, hence no PS, bit strange seeing as some of their tvs have PS input now.
    DM-HS2 sans PS too probably ?
     
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    it also does not have DV IN.

    Good launch price.......but corners have been cut.
     
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    According to av-land it has componant out, if it doesn't I for one will not be buying one, it needs componant out for connecting to my projector :(
     
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    Tim,
    Perhaps AV-Land are not U.K. sourced ?
    I picked up the DMR-E30 and checked it all out........nice fan on the back, it's Made In Japan and looks slightly different from photographs, not as mirror shiny style.
    Definitely no component outs though.....:(
     
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    Does anyone know the answer to the original question? Does the E-30 have switchable PAL tuner modes (ie I/BG/DK sound carriers)?

    I need to know this too as I want to buy one in the UK for use in Portugal which uses PAL BG like most of Europe (whereas the UK uses PAL I). Here in Portugal I'll be lucky if the E-30 is on sale before Christmas and then it's likely to cost at least €1000 if the prices of E-20s here are anything to go by (€1800)!


    Thanks,
    Michael.
     
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    I'm still waiting to find out if the UK model records NTSC signals. All the places I have contacted for info have given me different answers. Does anyone know for sure?
     
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    Might sound obvious but has anyone asked the panasonic helpline.

    They have always answered my questions about stuff that is released
     
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    AVland.co.uk are UK sourced (so they said when I ordered) and they do have them as mine has just turned up at home - although I am at work and can't play until tonight!:(
     
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    Please make a "note" of any PAL / Country selection options when installing.
     
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    Gasue,
    Do you know if you got the 2 DVD-RAM and and 5 DVD-R as promised in the AVLAND advert?

    NigelB
     
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    Got 2 DVD-RAM's, but no DVD-R's - am taking them to task today!

    Delivery note makes mention of DVD-R's, but they are not there!

    They have been very helpful so far though so I don't see any real problem getting them.

    Have you had the same thing then? It would be useful to make alliances to battle the big guy's!
     
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    Fredl,

    There were no obvious options about PAL tuner selection or country so I would say it is not switchable. I looked at literally every menu on the DMR-E30 last night in my 6-hour play session:)

    Otherwise I would do nothing, but suggest this as a great buy (if you are staying in the UK with it;) ).
     
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    Thanks for looking
     
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    Nope, you have read wrong. it says 0 for component inputs and outputs

    But it does have RGB
     
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    They should be on your receipt as "to follow" or "Customer order" as we had sold out of them.
    They will be posted out as soon as they come back in to stock

    I don't normally post on here, but you can normally find me on the uk.media.home-cinema newsgroup and uk.media.dvd
    I have also set up a newsgroup on usenet for the talking about DVD-R alt.video.dvdr
     
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    Gasue,
    No I have not ordered mine yet but will do some time this month so was only checking if the offer was cosher?
    By the way, what are your first impressions of the E30 now that you have had a play? Any issues or concerns or is it still doing all that you wish?
    I have not yet seen a review of this recorder anywhere so would appreciate any comments?

    NigelB
     
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    Just a quick slightly off topic question here....

    Are you guys using the E30 in lieu of a DVD Player or in addition to?

    I am just curious, I think I will be getting myself the dogs doobries of a DVD player & a seperate DVD Recorder, although i will probably be making sure both are Multi Region!

    Even if the (curious) rumours are true about the DVD Forum discussing dropping regional coding......
     
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    Bad news on the PAL front I'm afraid: I called then Panasonic customer help line (08705 375 375) and they told me an E30 bought in the UK will only work with the UKs PAL I and is not switchable to PAL BG.

    This is pretty disappointing IMO. Most TVs and VCRs these days, except completely bargain basement models have switchable PAL so it seems odd that a high end piece of kit like the E30 wouldn't support it.

    I wonder if web sites like Nomatica (based in France) take the ordering country into account (they have English, French, German, Portuguese etc. versions of the site) and ship the 'correct' model...

    Looks like I'll have to source my E-30 in Germany :(

    Michael.
     
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    Well, it's not that bad after all, www.computeruniverse.net in Germany have the E-30 for €800 which is only slightly more than the UK prices.

    Also, their page about the E-30 confirms that the 'European' model (full name DMR E-30 EG-S) only supports PAL B/G/H and not PAL I. The full UK (PAL I) model name is DMR E-30 EB-S.

    FYI October's What Video & TV has a review of both the DMR E-30 and the Philips DVDR 890 and rates them both very highly.

    Michael.
     
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    Avland.co.uk are as good as I hoped - disks that were missing turned up yesterday! Only two days after the machineand as soon as they got new stock as advised.

    Nothing but praise for both the DMR-E30 and avland.co.uk!

    Even wife has made compilation of kids programs on DVD-R without instruction from me!
     
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    That PAL/I and PAL/BG nonsense really ticks me off. The difference for me between sourcing the player from Germany/UK is almost double what the price difference of the Phil 880 and the Panny is. I can't believe that it's economical to do different versions for different EU countrys.
     
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    I agree with you fredl (allthough I can't quite make out what you're saying in your last post!). I checked with Philips and the same thing applies to their 880 and 890 players: UK models won't work in the rest of Europe.

    It seems to me that both Philips and Panasonic do a UK model and a 'rest of Europe' model. Why they can't just make a single model I don't understand. I took a look at the user manual for a Philips 890 on the web and it even has a 'Select Country' option in the menu - surely that would be the ideal place to switch TV standards etc. It's not as if there's a huge difference between PAL I and PAL B/G, what's more, the 'European' model usually supports SECAM (for France) aswell and that is a totally different standard.

    However, if you look at online retailers in Germany the prices are close to what you can get in the UK and (in my case) FAR lower than the local price so it's OK for me. Surely the German retailers will work for you too?

    Michael.
     
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    €799 works out to ~ 7500 swedish krona (SEK)
    £459 works out to ~ 6800 swedish krona (SEK)

    And I could have picked up a DMR-E30 from KK and avoid the shipping cost. I suspect that the S/H from http://www.mediacheckpoint.de or somewhere similar will be in the range of €50-€100. That an additional 400 - 900 SEK. Incidentially the DVDR880 costs 8500 SEK locally here in Sweden, cost from the UK would have been ~5600 SEK.

    Oh yeah, a Big Mac & CO costs 41 SEK here (Just to give you something to compare with!) ;)
     
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    It may appear not to be cost effective or economical but it is very cost effective and very economical on Treasure Island (The UK) for A.V. Companies in the UK so that they can charge what they like with these UK specific products and put tags and information on a products saying things like "Designed/Specific/Tuned for the UK market" and restrict us from buying abroad when there is very little difference in products at a guess only a few easy changeable components at production level otherwise the whole product would not be cost effective to make to begin with.

    A similar example is with UK specific cars, Car Companies come out saying that it cost extra money to develop cars for Right-hand Drive markets, This is not always the case as from the design faze products are often engineered for both LHD and RHD otherwise it would be not be cost effective to do this afterwards than from the outset.

    IMHO this all smells a little like restrictive practice not just here in the UK but for people outside the UK trying to buy products.

    Scott
     
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    I would agree that for some equipment theres bargains to be had in Germany even for UK:ers, that's what so strange even with the incredibly strong UKP the price difference on DVD recorder is big UK/Germany. The DMR-E30 has begun selling here in Sweden for a mere 12000 SEK a mere £800!!

    Maybe I will have to make do with RGB/Video/SVHS recording.
     
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    I wouldn't say that €800 (~ £500) for the E-30 in Germany (www.computeruniverse.net) is a big difference to £460 in the UK. It's certainly a LOT cheaper than the €1300 I'd pay in Portugal.

    I'm going to be getting my projector (Philips Monroe) in the UK though - no PAL issues to worry about and way cheaper than anywhere in Europe.

    Michael.
     
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    Here's an e-mail I sent to Panasonic customer care, and their response:

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    PROBLEM DESCRIPTION:
    EMAIL REQUEST: Subject - DMR E-30 DVD recorder.  DETAILS: Dear Panasonic,
    
    Please could you tell me if the DMR E-30 DVD recorder supports
    switchable or auto detecting PAL standards?  I would like to buy a DMR
    E-30 in the UK which uses PAL I and use it in Portugal which uses PAL
    BG - will this work?
    
    Regards,
    Michael.
    
    PROBLEM RESOLUTION:
    Dear Mr Brown,
    
    Thank you for your e-mail enquiry.
    
    In response, I would explain that the DMRE30 is compatible with PAL B/G.
    However to obtain full operation of your DVD recorder, it may be necessary
    to have it converted.
    
    Panasonic do not, themselves, carry out such conversion but would advise of
    two companies who specialise in this area, as follows;
    
    Howard Services
    Thielmere Close
    Egham
    Surrey
    TW20 8JS
    Tel/Fax; 01784 433783
    
    HTC
    Suite 5, Millfield House
    Woodshots Meadow
    Croxley Business Park
    Watford, Herts
    WD1 8YX
    Tel; 01923 652508
    Fax; 01923 652518
    
    Any such conversion would be on a chargeable basis. I am sorry that we
    cannot provide you with assistance in this matter but trust that the above
    information will be of some help.
    
    
    
    I trust that the above information will be of assistance to you. However,
    of course, if you should have any further queries, please do not hesitate
    to contact us on 08705 357357 or [email]customer.care@panasonic.co.uk[/email] and we will
    endeavour to assist.
    
    I've also seen mixed information about the Philips DVDR 890 - some tech. documents on the web site seem to confirm that it IS multi standard (PAL I, B/G, SECAM) but talking to Philips here and also Sevenoaks Sound & Vision they say it isn't, but it could be converted at a cost of around £80.

    I think I'm probably going to get the DVDR 890 here in London (from Sevenoaks) since they sell it multi-region and then get them to do the PAL I -> B/G conversion for me aswell. It might be a bit more expensive but that way I'll get multi-region aswell, which will be tricky to get with the E-30.

    Michael.
     

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