Discussion in 'Plasma TVs Forum' started by rudy, Oct 15, 2005.
on ebay. Just noticed this . I think this is screen only.
be careful, when you spend this kind of cash, the price takes second place to peace of mind during ownership. What if it goes wrong? Check that out.
if you ever get the plasma in the first place...
importing? delivered 3 weeks after funds are cleared? pay cash into bank account first before you can pick up goods?
not for me thanks.
i bought one of those earlier today!!!
don't part with the money
it will be a scam
too late for that! the seller seems genuine, she has been an ebay member for 3 years, and has 100% positive feedback.
we'll soon find out!
i hope its ok m8, but i personally think your gonna get ripped off.
There is a 700 pound diffrence between store and this sale so what does that 700 represent?
Firstly there is 'NO' stand included, i'm not sure how much the tall stands are in the UK but here there not cheap!
Secondly there is only one year warranty so you will have to buy a new one after 12 months.
it actually comes with a pedestal stand.
why would i have to buy another after the 12 month warranty?
Let us all know if you get your plasma mate. Hope it all works out for you. To be honest i wouldn't risk it myself.
Well, if the ebayer is 3 yrs with 100% then should be ok.
Hope so or i will feel like [swear word removed-forum moderator].
lol dont worry i'd actually bought it before i even saw your post!
Tell us when you get it. I may well risk it on a c/c
I bought a panny PHW5 for £2.2k a couple of years back on ebay (if I'd known what i know now - HD for £2k then - I wouldn't of believed it!) and sure enough it never came. The seller knew their stuff, there were no holes in the details I asked even, checking now, and it seemed extremely genuine. Over 2000 feedback, 100% etc. The account had been hijacked, and 5 of these had been sold. Never caught. They had only sold china in the past, should of checked that.
What has the seller sold in the past?
EDIT: Sorry aqua guy, that smells of a definate scam to me
Only sold clothes/boots before?
I think you are slightly protected if you send a cheque by post?
i have her account details.
Go with chedmaster's points there about payment terms and past sales history. The number of times I've seen Bose Lifestyle systems or 20" Sony monitors on eBay from people with 100% who, despite selling watches, clothes or even books about witchcraft (seriously - in one case, it was the account of a witch!!!), have come across £20,000 worth of AV kit that they're selling on at a great price... It's one thing to have the 95%+ feedback but when you're spending your money, take the time to look at what the feedback was actually for: Did the items sold in the past tie in logically with what's on offer now? Was the high feedback score achieved through selling items or buying? Has the account been dormant for months or years and now it's selling a plasma?
It's not to say that the answers to these questions could "no", "buying" and "yes" and it still be a genuine offer of someone selling a plasma they didn't want and can't return for say a dead pixel, but it's likely that it's a scam. Even if it means spending an hour going through each item on the "feedback from buyers" page, you're talking about parting with a fair bit of cash there and I'm not sure the credit card would take a great view on that if it went wrong
Similarly, you can't pay be cheque as that introduces more traceability and a postal address which differs from the address on the sellers account no doubt. You tend to find most scams require payment by international money transfers, even when the seller is apparently located in the UK. Be wary of any item that requires an international money transfer and doesn't take at least PayPal or cheque payment.
If the item includes pictures, it's not uncommon to find they are stock library images rather than the actual product you're buying. I've even seen images which looked incredibly convincing because they showed what you were actually buying - the box, the box opened with the packing shown inside, the manuals and leads taken out of the box, etc. The item was a Dell or Sony flat panel monitor and since the price was so good, some quick research turned up the exact same images on a site reviewing the monitor!!!
Other common traits to the scam pages are multiple items available for sale. These people don't happen to stock just 1 brand new, boxed THX Ultra-certified amp for £1200 - they'll have 3, 5, or even 10.
The description will often be copied and pasted verbatim from the manufacturers website with no personal narrative from the seller. This isn't a surefire sign of a scam though and is not an uncommon practice, but taken with all the above, it's a possible indicator that something isn't right.
A real danger sign is when you have to contact them to be added to an approved bidders list.
Update: AQU4RIUS, I'm not saying the item you've gone for isn't genuine (can't find it to check) and I don't want to be doom-and-gloom merchant but you might well have the eBay account details for this seller but that doesn't mean the owner of the account has any idea that her account is being used for this purpose.
Basically, if it looks too good to be true on eBay, it maybe is so research carefully. I don't want to be all negative but I've seen and heard countless tales of people getting ripped off on eBay (one of my co-directors in fact was done not once, but twice!!!) so it pays to take care. On the other hand, if it all goes to plan, you've just saved a fortune!
Hacking an account on eBay is incredibly easy - I'd be surprised if people on AV Forums had never received an email "from eBay" asking them to login and verify their account details. As a software developer, I'm fascinated by the level these phishing scammers go to and I have to say the most recent one I was was incredibly convincing to the point of using eBay's own secured login form to forward the users onto the phishing site but giving them the impression their username and password were incorrect so they put them in again but they're not on eBay anymore... It's a real shame but these people pray on people's innocent naivety to steal their account and then take advantage of other people through the stolen account causing headaches for everyone involved apart from themselves.
Excellent summary, but a couple of comments:
1. A lot of multiple items are genuine, especially models which are end of line to be replaced, or refurbished from the manufacturer. But here the cheap price is usually believable, and not too good to be true.
2. Any non-UK model or product 'to be sent' from another country is definitely a scam, eg Panasonic or Sony US plasma models.
3. Instinct and contacting the seller can go a long way. If they won't entertain the idea of you coming to see the product or accepting payment on collection, then alarm bells should be ringing...
You're absolutely right that good deals on eBay can and often are genuine so I should have qualified some more - if it's a stunning deal on a new (in the sense of brand new "this year's" model, not just new in the box) product then it should be investigated further. While it may prove to be totally legitimate, it's better to do a little digging than just jump in feet first.
Contacting the seller as you say can be invaluable. My first experience with a scam came not long after I started using eBay. I saw a Bose system and it was incredibly cheap but I had some concerns about payment and warranty. After contacting the seller, I got some ridiculous story about them not taking PayPal because they'd just moved from the UK to Italy and the price was so cheap because they'd just bought a liqudated AV dealer specialising in Bose kit. When I got cold feet and decided to pull out gracefully saying that it was outside my budget, they came back not once but twice and lopped money off an already crazy price!!! Suffice to say, I didn't go through with it!
I don't want to come across as being anti-eBay. As an eBay user for a few years myself with over a hundred transactions as both buyer and seller, I've made and saved some money so it is a great resource. I've used it to buy items from the UK, from Germany, from the US and Japan. So far, the only one difficultly I've had with eBay was with a seller who lived about 15 miles from me! It's just like any marketplace - it's open to abuse but some mild caution should keep anyone out of trouble. I've left positive feedback in every case and found the sellers to be incredibly approachable and helpful. I've gone back to a few of them several times over so I do really like it. In saying that, I've bought some right pointless stuff on it
Anyway guys, this isn't meant to be an eBay lecture - I just panic when I think someone might be taken for a mug! Time to stop ranting
Is it swiss?
Two key points if you do buy from e-bay:
2.Do NOT NOT NOT NOT sign for your delivery until you have checked the box for said goods, this will make sure you are compensated through paypal should there be nothing in the box/package.
i got exactly the same cock and bull, but didnt think it at the time. registered in UK, moved to italy she made it seem very believable, and was very knowledgeable in plasmas when we were scammed. was the seller called auctionsbme? that was the one that was hacked and used against me.
did you ever get the screen? they are selling more now for the same price
bump! any info?
Eek Hope Aqu4rius hasn't ended up------>
I hope all goes well for you but if the account has been hijacked then your money will be moved on very swiftly
take a look at this
look at the feedback- 5 people have paid for the tv and got nothing. Not much of a surprise. an easy 10 grand eh?! castration is the most suitable punishment i feel.
Did Aquarious ever get his tv?
Seller no longer registered with Ebay,
Did AQ ever get his screen ?
no! lost my money, its currently being dealt with by the police, as there was about 15 of us involved, the seller is claiming she was conned by an importer in the states, and they are both on bail as we speak.
i bought a pioneer 436xde from currys instead!
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