Public sector pay cap scrapped. Elections time?

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  1. ghrh

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    Elections just around the corner it seems. Money trees everywhere now ;)
     
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    It's a joke of a pay rise though. My wife is a Band 5 NHS staff nurse and hasn't had a pay rise since 2009. She's now been granted a tiny pay rise (approximately £70 a month for a full time employee) which she was supposed to receive this month, including back pay. However, in true NHS fashion, it's been pushed back again to August.

    The most ridiculous part is that when she said she was getting it back paid, I assumed she meant for a reasonable amount of time seeing as it's been capped for 9 years (I'm obviously a naïve Private sector employee), it actually means that it's back-paid to April this year...whoah, chill out with that money tree! If the NHS was a former terrorist organisation that could keep May in Number 10 she'd have paid it billions without even thinking about it. Talk about priorities eh.
     
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    Agree but optimistic that with the number of nurses declining we will see substantial increases in their salaries even with this government.
     
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    I agree on not seeing any increases but if there are less of them it would cost the Government less. I guess the NHS is a nice election bargaining chip, ("let's fund the NHS instead...) but the Government doesn't really give a toss about it or the people working for it in the long run.
     
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    £70 per month? Hey that's good to have in the pocket :smashin: I'm a cup half full type of person :)
     
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    After 9 years of pay freeze o_O
     
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    With staff shortages being in the risk register of most trusts things will change.
     
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    In what way do you think? Staff shortages have been the case within the NHS for years but it appears to just get kicked down the road. I genuinely hope that the Government do some proper work towards improving the conditions within the NHS and aren't simply setting it up to fail bit by bit in the hope of bringing in more external suppliers.
     
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    £70 a month extra aint too bad.

    Different perceptions to Public/Private sector pay I guess!

    Though, after 9 years of a pay freeze (I deem a pay freeze as the same net pay for 9 years - not some fancy, it's not quite keeping up with inflation deal), it might well feed inadequate.

    No probs with Public sector pay deals being awarded but it should be concentrated at the bottom of the ladder.

    Senior Doctors/Head Teachers etc etc pocket enough already.

    As for elections soon. Hmm, maybe but not really sure.

    Tories could give many PS workers 20% a year and most of them still wouldn't vote Blue.
     
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    Can't see any other explanation for the timing of this announcement during a period when everything is Brexit focused. I would say too little too late.
     
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    Moaning about a pay increase, just unbelievably ungrateful. Why should anyone get a pay increase just because of continuing to work there. I never understood that attitude.
     
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    Just shows a complete lack of understanding of how public sector pay works
     
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    Maybe try doing their job rather than sitting in that high castle bemoaning a pay increase for it . Why should anyone get a pay increase for continuing to work there ? I'm not quite sure I get your attitude on this as it sounds rather dismissive and indeed out of touch.
     
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    I don't get it either.
     
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    Seriously, are you that out of touch with reality? I assume you’ve had more than one pay rise since 2009 and don’t work 12 hour shifts with minimal breaks and crappy conditions? As an example, my wife walked on to her ward on Monday morning to find half of the ceiling collapsed due to a leaking air conditioning unit. The other two aircon units have been off for 3 months as they also leak so the staff and patients are expected to stay in up to 35 degree heat due to the 10 dialysis machines running.

    I think those nurses deserve some recognition rather than being accused of ‘moaning’!
     
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    That 2% pay rise equates to 0.22% a year since the pay freeze was established. So it's unsurprising it's reception has been frosty...
     
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    You’re right, it’s a greedy attitude when they’re already so well paid for doing a job actually actually helping others instead of lining their own pockets...
     
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    Without a pay increase then, in real terms, they are taking a pay cut for continuing to work there.

    I'm private sector but, other than during the last recession for two years, I've had inflation linked pay rises every year I've worked. I've also had personal and company performance based increases too. I'd not stay with a job if they paid me less every year for 9 years.
     
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    Plenty of job vacancies if you are interested.
     
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    Had your pay frozen for this amount of time since the recession ?
     
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    I've been there, I understand what being on the same pay for 10 years or more while prices go up is, thanks.
     
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    ^ Same here
     
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    I’ve had 17 years in the public sector in the U.K. alone. I know very well how it works.

    And no, I haven’t had increases unless I changed what I was doing. Other than when I was on minimum wage (a very long time ago outside the U.K.) I have never had increases for longlivity in my role; share options and vested Crypto tokens yes, but automatic increases, no.
     
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    Wage Push Inflation. It’s ultimately a con and a continuing circle where nobody wins. Well except for those who will have charge more for their products and services. Wages go up (be it private or public) that means those who pay for it need more income to pay for the increase wages (so taxes or cuts, and increased prices). Which then means the wages got to go up again.

    Sure a simplified version, but to me we are doing this to ourselves, not too dissimilar how we pushed house prices up to ridiculous levels etc.

    As long as we don’t realise we keep doing this to ourselves nothing will change and everything has to go up until it can’t and then we have a problem.

    But that was just my secondary point. The primary was about a rise which on a micro level is great, but then moan about it. I just thought that was typical as we all have to pay for that.
     
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    You’re missing the point entirely though. Nurses are under-appreciated already for the job they do and have had a freeze for the last 9 years, whilst the cost of living has gone up massively in comparison. For the Government to then make a huge fanfare about a measly 2% pay rise (just to distract from the Brexit disaster it could be argued) shows the same contempt that your post did.
     
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    I still have a hard time believing that Nurses have had a pay freeze for 9 years.

    In the private sector (or how I understand it), that would mean someone on £20K gross a year in 2009, is on £20K gross in 2018. No pay rise for 9 years. More cash in their pockets though as the tax threshold has helped those on low pay out quite a bit.

    Is that really the case for a Nurse? If I google it, all i get is low wages increases (1% etc), behind inflation all the time, etc etc, etc.
     
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    My wife's pay rate has not changed since 2009. There have been no increments at all since 2009 and the current rises are different according to where the person is on the pay band. Therefore, the lowest paid minorities within the trust (e.g. HCA's) are getting a larger percentage increase (up to 6% I believe) whereas those near the top of their bands are getting minimal percentage increases. It's a marketing decision by the Government, timed effectively as a "Good News" story that's going to bite them, as all but the most cynical people can clearly see.
     
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    Public sector workers: Pay rises announced for a million people

    A million public sector workers are to receive their biggest pay rise in nearly 10 years, the government says.

     
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    I agree.

    My wife has had a pay rise every year. Of course she has also been promoted during this time.

    But I guess if you were on the top increment of your band, stay in the same job and don't get promoted it might be possible that some didn't get a pay rise at all. I find it hard to believe this happened to anyone.

    There was a 1% rise in 2016 for instance.

    Unions angered by 'miserly' 1% pay rise for public sector workers
     
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    The fact is that the government has had to act to stop the rot in terms of shortages. With teachers this won't be enough. Lots more sweeteners will be on the way, certainly in terms of recruitment.
     

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