Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by Steve Withers, Dec 28, 2016.
Nothing at all and the wall mounts mean you can place them just above the 3010s if you like.
What's the recommended sitting distance from the speakers? I sit 10ft from them, they are almost 3 feet off the ground (base of atmos) and 6ft from the ceiling. I disconnected my rear surrounds to hook these up on Yam A1060, set the amp config to 5.1.2 and ran YPAO. It's now telling me all my speakers are reverse phase!? Re-ran several times after moving mic, speakers etc but every time phase warning ⚠️, not just one speaker but all of them!? I have triple checked the cables and inputs, everything is correct. I'm also underwhelmed with the effect. I noticed in the manual it says in bold letters that they MUST be in phase to work properly. Truly baffled
Nice review, thanks. Am currently running 3.1 as my sofa is up against a wall and surrounds seem like a bad choice if I can't get them in the right place, plus I have a door when one should go.
So, might be a crazy idea but what if I used these speakers or similar on my front book shelf speakers wired into the surround channels so effectively it would be 3.1.2 but only being fed surround info and not atoms as my AVR is MRX310 and only 5.1.
Plus my ceiling is 2.7m high so a bit higher than average, I guess that can only be a good thing so the sound appears to go further back above you? I sit about 3m from mains. Ceiling is flat though.
Any advice much appreciated!
You would need an Atmos enabled receiver in the first instance. Your ceiling height would not be a problem. However, I don't think a 3.1.2 would work, it gives the sound nowhere to travel to. Correctly set up my KEF R50s gives a smooth transition of sound between the fronts and surrounds by filling in the height gap. It's effective and very pleasant, the bubble that everyone talks about.
Even though you sit against a rear wall surrounds can still be effective at the side if this is possible.
Thanks. If I went for surrounds the only viable place would be roughly 2m up above door frame angled down at MLP. Doing you think this would be ok? Be in corner too?!
Most will have to make compromises with the set up unless you're in a dedicated room. One of my surrounds is in a corner and I have no problems. It is also slightly higher than the guide lines give. I would personally rather have a less than perfect placement of surrounds rather than none at all.
Speaker choice would need to be one with a wide dispersion.
Thank you. Was looking at the SVS prime elevation as it has a nice angle firing down. Prime Elevation doesnt say much about dispersion though but assuming it would be ok?
I have bipole surrounds on rear wall and they work well, approx 0.8m above MLP.
I've just got some MA silver FX to go on the back wall this weekend replacing my trusty old Mision M7DS.
I was thinking of trying upfirers, but decided on surround upgrades for now.
Are you sat up against that wall though on sofa like me? I feel like I'd almost be under the drivers, but maybe that's a good thing with surrrounds?
Yes, the sofa is against the back wall. The speakers are about 0.8m above and approx 1m either side of the MLP. The bipole speaker keeps the sound diffuse and gives a good surround affect.
However from what I have read, high surrounds do not work well with atmos as there is too much going on above.
They look interesting. The site I found says you can have a 45 day home trial. Your position problems could very well be addressed to some extent with these particular speakers and should prove enjoyable even in a 5.1 set up.
Thanks again, BTW which site had the 45 day trial?
Ah, it was the US home site, but there is interesting information on there.
In your situation I would be very tempted with these speakers, there are several good reviews on Google.
So reading the manufacturers blurb on the PSB Atmos speaker they allude to the Dolby crossover design which cuts at 7kHz and boosts at 12kHz for Atmos
Anyone out there who can tell me why and what for, very interested??
This is a useful watch: KEF R50 Atmos Enabled Speaker with Mark Dodd...Watch this video on YouTube
The chap claims it's boosted around 5 and dipped at 10. It's also a bit weird why PSB have that intricate cover when everyone else doesn't bother and have gone with a conventional, flat grille.
I'll have a look see, thanks
Very interesting clip. I really do agree with him on music especially from live concert discs that can be upmixed, DTS-HD MA + Neural:X is very good indeed. Besides that the KEF R50 must be the best looking module available.
Has anyone a comparison of these vs the Onkyo 410s (or even Kef)?
I currently have the 410s as a stop gap; just upgraded the fronts to Silver 8s and the Onkyo's look terrible, so wondering what to replace them with.
There are also the SVS Prime Elevation Speakers as another option (£200), but these seem like they are not suitable for upfiring, but would need to be mounted high on the front wall.
I have just replaced my Onkyo 410s with PSB Imagine XAs and have them partnered with MA silver 6s. I have only had a chance to watch a couple of movies with them, but first impressions are encouraging.
When running test tones during setup the XAs sound a much closer match to the Monitor Audio silver series speakers that make up the rest of my system than the Onkyos which always sounded weedy in comparison.
During use there is much less direct sound coming from XAs than there was with the 410s. The sound definitely seems to come more from above and be more what I was expecting from Atmos.
The two films I watched were Unbroken and Gravtity and I was impressed by the sound of both. I am well happy with the upgrade.
Hope that helps a little.
Just finish installing PSB Imagine XAs front and rear, from the onkyo (front only), just watch Deepwater Horizon the dolby atmos was stunning, totally immersed into the movie, atmos at its best, that bird at the start scared the be`jesus out of me
I have an artex Ceiling Would the PSB XAs work ?
My ceiling has a stiple artex effect and the KEF R50s work well.
Thanks, sounds like same as mine swiles in circles and is stipled !!
Regarding the rear Atmos speakers is it a good idea to have them either on the rear wall or mounted on stands. I was thinking of the stand option,
preferably an adjustable stand so that one could make sure that they would be in the optimum position. It is not possible to sit them on top of my rear speakers.
I decided to go with these for my step into Atmos. They arrived today, but duh I forget they require speaker cabling.....Silly me....
These are the Atmos speakers I have bought recently but haven't had chance to properly test them out yet but they look the part.
Have only watched one Atmos film, Pan and it sounded amazing and I'm probably sat abit to far back than required ( only slightly) but all the speakers working together created a bubble of sound.
Not sure if you've seen Pan but the part where the planes attack and fly.overhead sounded great and had me fully immersed.
The speakers come with discrete wall mounts
Be interesting to hear your thoughts whenever you do get them up and running.
Don't forget to EQ them either. I would lift the levels a little over what Audyssey suggests and certainly take the crossover to 120hz at the very least. For sheer immersion and listening enjoyment for me it's been money well spent.
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