Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by BadAss, Dec 22, 2006.
Not bad for 5 weeks work.
Broshnat & Tadj say it ... so it must be true!
Amir says it and it miust be true
Un-named mythical beings whisper in forum members ears so it must be true
Sony say it so it must be false
where will it ever end?
It's all about credibility, why are Broshnat & Tadj so credible to some? Their website looks like a ten year old knocked it up.
Maybe Sony did sell 1,000,000 PS3 this year -- only 1,000,000 more to go in last week of year to hit their 2006 target -- but I would prefer to see credible data before simply quoting links from amateur sites. (Speaks he who got slammed for posting link from another amateur nex-gen sales figure site.)
Just out of interest Mattym - do you run a Sony store?
I hope they are upto 1m by now. Seems entirely possible.
Although overshadowed by Nintendo's 4 weeks work?
My bet is these kinds of figures are as credible as car sales these days.
Shop allocations counted as sales etc etc.
dont own any sony gear except a ps2, thinking of buying a ps3 but am unsure of what to do for hddvd.
Im getting rather tired of people leaping on everything thats posted about bluray, 'facts' about yields, random posts about the 'dreadful' samsung player, everything negative, its really quite difficult to find any proper facts in amongst the rumours and mistruths, yet digging around finds that hddvd isnt that clever all the time, disks damage, players lock up, but no-one shouts and screams about that. Badass gets abused all the time, and its all a little sad! We are all grown-ups, yet its like a creche!!!!!
Hows the Toshiba dealership coming?
nothing is discussed sensibly anymore, it all descends into fanboi stuff.
nintendo got everything right except the amount of units they could make!
That's why NPD and Famitsu are useful, they count items sold by (not shipped to) retailers. Their numbers are as near to 'fact' as public will ever get hold of.
I was sacked when I got a Samsung BD player!
Yeah I agree with that...but what can be done?
i suppose the only thing to is to add the people that antagonise to the ignore list. some people will have very short threads to read!
1 million PS3s = 75,000 BD players! And that's a conservative estimate!
So that's how BD is catching up!
I'll look forward to the sales figures showing the same trend then...
Given that plus all the stanalone BD players sales we should finally be able to see massive BD titles sales romp ahead of HD DVD without any question. Shouldn't we ?
Yup, I think its fair to say that BD sales should now, or in a few weeks (if the sales figures need to come in and get Christmas out of the way) pass HD DVD given the amount of PS3's and stand alones out there, if they don't something is seriously wrong somewhere. Or maybe the PS3 isn't going to play as big a part as some believe.
the dvdwars salesranks for bluray has shot up from 4000 to 1400 so there is soething happening, but there are no proper real figures to be had, only speculation
Wasn't it Sony who claimed the Samsung player had a problem in an attempt to deflect the bad press they were getting for the poor encodes they were delivering at the start?
I don't know. But there is some evidence of a BD lift.
While BD sales may go up or down a lot compared to loyal HD-DVD buyers, (can't beileve Jet Li's Fearless is selling that well btw) I really do feel that BD will pass HD-DVD sometime next year.
it did have a problem...and then it got fixed...
It had a very minor problem, sony attempted to blame the poor quality of their encodings on it, it was the encodings NOT the player, the encodings thankfully have gotten better, if HDDVD wasn't here they wouldn't have done.
I really doubt Samsung were happy with sony for this, it is indicative of typical sony tactics, they really are as bad as any other large corperate in this respect.
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One or two members are starting to overstep the mark, and I'm just looking for a good excuse to do what's necessary.
but its a problem that affected picture quality enough for it to be a necessary update. I quite agree that sony shouldnt have blamed a couple of poor copies on samsung, but samsung didnt help the cause...
TFE element still looks crap after the Samsumg update so I know where the blame really lies.
there wasnt any doubt that some of the releases were pants...
At the time everything was being blamed on the Samsung, Sony commented because it was their titles being rubbished. Now we know that the Samsung fault was a minor one and that the 1st transfers really were rubbish.
Fair enough, so maybe where you said,
maybe you should be directioning your scorn at sony, it was sony who where most negative about the Samsung player, they had to be to save the face of some seniour exec who to this day continues to claim that MPEG2 makes sony more money, sorry, is as good or better than the newer codecs.
Anyway, have a good Christmas guys!
I do find it amusing that somepeople love BluRay as much as they do. IMHO, from a technical perspective, the format has no real disadvantage or advantages over HD DVD. Ultimately BluRay was created solely to preserve the interests of a select band of companies who have slowly witnessed customers slip out of their hands.
Let's look at what BluRay offers BluRay Association (BDA) companies such as Sony and Panasonic:
Capacity. The larger capacity on BD discs is somewhat irrelevant to the consumer - not for BDA companies though. The larger space allows MPEG2 to be used. This allows Panasonic, Sony (etc) to continue reaping the rewards of their years of R&D into the codec. Panasonic in particular has invested heavily in MPEG2 and wants return on that money. Fair enough - but it's hardly right that we as consumers take the 'hit' for it.
Avoiding The DVD Forum. Panasonic and Pioneer in particular have felt the sluggish response of the DVD Forum in the "DVD Recordable" war. The 'plus' camp ratified new specifications at half the time it took the DVD Forum to do so. Ergo the BDA was formed to cut red tape as well as ensure more 'selected' licensing - this has two benefits for BDA companies: avoiding cheap Chinese players undercutting the 'big brands' and restricting unlicenced production of discs and players due to the enhanced secrecy inherent in the BDA.
New Disc Structure. A new disc structure has meant existing disc replication plants cannot be used - whilst on the surface that may seem a bad thing it really isn't - for the BDA companies it is ideal. The BluRay authoring/production plants are now run by the 'big brand' companies such as Sony and Panasonic.
...all in all I really don't see how any of that is a big benefit to the consumer. The discs have greater capacity so older codecs can be used to increase return on investment. The DVD Forum has been bypassed so licensing restrictions apply. The discs are mastered by a small band of companies so BDA companies reap even greater awards. Furthermore the need to get studios onboard has lead to many compromises: increased DRM in exchange for Fox support and a BD9 standard that could yet come and bite us.
Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying Toshiba is any great White angel here - they developed HD DVD to make money as well. I would say the difference is they got their format ratified by the existing DVD Forum. Which makes them marginally better IMHO.
Hi, I was interested to read my daughter's 'First News' weekly young people's newspaper this week as it had an article on the PS3 and the Wii. They did a head to head on it with 6 kids who played with both consoles for some time. The result was that of the six kids five said that given the choice they would opt for the Wii. They effused about just how much more fun the Wii was compared to the PS3. The one kid that said he would take the PS3 instead actually added that it would be so he could sell it on Ebay and buy 3 Wiis instead! The article had mentioned that the PS3 had a Blu-Ray player but none of the kids showed any concern for this. In their book the Wii stood for gaming fun - that was the #1 priority - while the PS3's technical superiority was acknowledged but kinda left them cold. If Nintendo can get enough units out there in advance of PS3 hitting these shores the PS3 could find the competition tougher than it perhaps hitherto thought.
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