PS3 and 3D TV

rawly

Standard Member
Well, got round to updating my PS3 tonight with the 3D Gaming update. I then paid £24 for the package of 3D Motorstorm, 3D Total Wipeout, 3D Super Stardust and some other title I've forgotten!

Anyway, first time I've been able to drive my C7000 Panel with 3D content. It looked totally amazing anyway. Really astonishing. I am well pleased with it, and look forward to the 3D Blu-Ray update coming in the next few months!

I did have to use a HMDI v4.0 cable for the PS3 to detect 3D functionality.
 

Dave52

Established Member
Good to hear positive things... I'm gonna have to wait for Christmas before I get a 3D TV, but my PS3 is ready and waiting!

Did your TV know that it needed to be in 3D, or did you have to tell it (I've a feeling that the auto switch over will be missing as the PS3 is using a 1.3 hdmi port).

Cheers,
 

John1987

Established Member
When you first plug your new 3dtv in to your ps3 with the 3.30 downloaded firmware you should go in to the display settings as if you are setting it up again where you only had options for 1080 or 720 i think there is now 1080 3d aswell so you choose that.

Now once you start your 3d game it starts in normal 2d but then on super stardust anyway it is part of the normal game menu asking you play 3d or 2d you choose 3d and it then says put your glasses on e.t.c so you dont need to press the 3d button or choose side by side or any of that.

I only have hdmi 1.3 so dont really know why you need a 1.4
 

rawly

Standard Member
When you first plug your new 3dtv in to your ps3 with the 3.30 downloaded firmware you should go in to the display settings as if you are setting it up again where you only had options for 1080 or 720 i think there is now 1080 3d aswell so you choose that.

Now once you start your 3d game it starts in normal 2d but then on super stardust anyway it is part of the normal game menu asking you play 3d or 2d you choose 3d and it then says put your glasses on e.t.c so you dont need to press the 3d button or choose side by side or any of that.

I only have hdmi 1.3 so dont really know why you need a 1.4

Yes John, I will experiment again later actually, as it was late last night when I was setting it up. I originally had my 1.3 HDMI cable connected but when I ran up one of the 3D games it didn't think I had a 3D panel. So I just swapped it for my 1.4 HDMI cable - this process in fact started the Detection process again and let me add the 2 3D Options.

Its very likely my 1.3 HDMI cable will work, I just didn't do a forced re-detection after I'd updated my s/w - I think swapping the cables over 'live' so to speak initiated this and the 1.4 cable was not relevant - as I also thought you didn't need a 1.4 cable for PS3 or SKY 3D viewing.

Anyway - I needed some new cables anyway, so now have four 1.4 cables - they seem quite cheap on Amazon at £5.99 a pop!

By the way I was playing Super Stardust HD in 3D this morning - Amazing it just the word for it, the way they scroll the Star Field looks spot on - a different experience from MotorStorm which is also very good the way the ground comes right out of the TV. Again it's the little effects that gets your attention. In the racing game the way the Mud splutters out of screen and when you crash bits go flying everywhere. In Stardust when you get destroyed is a really good 3D explosion effect, and also when you're zapping stuff, and the fireworks that go off at the end of Level.

It's impressive stuff indeed, if anyone had any doubts!
 
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rawly

Standard Member
Good to hear positive things... I'm gonna have to wait for Christmas before I get a 3D TV, but my PS3 is ready and waiting!

Did your TV know that it needed to be in 3D, or did you have to tell it (I've a feeling that the auto switch over will be missing as the PS3 is using a 1.3 hdmi port).

Cheers,

Yep, the PS3 does not use CEC stuff, so still have to manually switch to the HDMI input, no matter what cable I used 1.3 or 1.4 - this is a PS3 port issue I think anyway. But, when you launch one of the 3D Games it asks if you want to play in 3D, when you select this the Samsung automatically goes into 3D mode and asks you to switch on your glasses - so that bit is automatic.
 

Dave52

Established Member
Anyway - I needed some new cables anyway, so now have four 1.4 cables - they seem quite cheap on Amazon at £5.99 a pop!

Tht's pretty funny, when I got the new 3d Samsung demoed in Comet the other day, the guy told me I'd need a 1.4 cable. I almost fell over when he said they were doing them for £80. I said I was sure they were cheaper than that on the internet, and he assured me that that was the going rate.

These people must be ripping off the man in the street something rotten.
 

tazza

Standard Member
Tht's pretty funny, when I got the new 3d Samsung demoed in Comet the other day, the guy told me I'd need a 1.4 cable. I almost fell over when he said they were doing them for £80. I said I was sure they were cheaper than that on the internet, and he assured me that that was the going rate.

These people must be ripping off the man in the street something rotten.

The guy's on commission mate that's why he's trying to flog you an £80 cable. Anyway, without going into technical details you DO NOT actually require HDMI v1.4 for 3D playback. Version 1.3 is adequate. What v1.4 is good for is the audio return and ethernet over HDMI both of which do not enhance video game playback whatsoever.
 

db260179

Standard Member
The guy's on commission mate that's why he's trying to flog you an £80 cable. Anyway, without going into technical details you DO NOT actually require HDMI v1.4 for 3D playback. Version 1.3 is adequate. What v1.4 is good for is the audio return and ethernet over HDMI both of which do not enhance video game playback whatsoever.

Well what do expect from Comet?

I have to disagree with you regarding the differences. Coming from a 1.3 cable to a 1.4

The differences is seriously noticeable. Picture Depth and Reliability

1m / 1 Metre PRO GOLD HDMI TO HDMI CABLE, 1080P, PS3: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo

£9.99
 

sledwich

Established Member
Hope I can clear up some misconceptions here:

PS3 does NOT require HDMI v1.4 cable. PS3 actually creates a 3d image using a lower resolution than a bluray 3D film.

3D actually works by sending two images (for bluray two 1080p signals) which a standard HDMI cable v1.3 or less simply cannot handle safely without losing frames. In the PS3 it uses a lower resolution to create the same effect but instead of using 1080p I believe it uses 720p signal which can fit safely down a HDMI v1.3 or lower.

Therefore HDMI v1.4 is ONLY required when using a 1080p signal as produced with a bluray device.

I would NEVER buy any cable from Comet or Currys as these will be considerably higher priced than online - although you do get the chance to talk to a human before buying so if you have absolutely no idea about what cable you need then maybe you need to discuss with somebody before buying.
 

DrDamn

Established Member
@sledwich
It is true that for the games the PS3 will use 720p (sometimes with a much lower resolution upscaled to 720p). This is a basic computational restriction however. When playing 3D Bluray titles the PS3 will display full 1080p though. There was an old incorrect Gizmodo artile which suggested it would revert to 1080i, but this is not correct.

How PS3 Outputs 3D Video
 

thfccambs

Banned

sledwich

Established Member

They can but to be honest i would always consider a budget of around 5% of the TV price for cables as whats the point in spending all your hard earned on a spanking new TV and then hooking it up with a piece if tin that will slowly degrade.

My advice spend a bit more and get good cables - whilst you may not notice the difference today - you will over time.
 

marcosantos

Novice Member
I've a 3D TV Sony HX800 and when I connect my PS3 to the Tv using HDMI 1.3 cable the PS3 detect 720p 3D and 1080p 3D capabilities. So, I think that I don't need a HDMI 1.4 cable even for watching blu-ray 3D. But time will tell when the PS3 firmware updates to blu-ray 3D.
Anyway, I had initially the proble of only detecting 1080p on the PS3 because I was connecting the PS3 to the TV thru the AV receiver. My AV receiver, Sony STR-DA2400, is only HDMI 1.3 and somehow is blocking the 3D capabilities. But connecting directly the PS3 to the TV gave my 1080p 3D. Great, only missing now the HD audio formats........ any solutoin for this?
 

gekko21

Established Member
Hi folks,

Does anyone have any info about upcoming 3D games? I've got the four (2 full, 2 demo) games that came free with the Sony 3DTV but wonder when we'll be able to get our hands on further games. I hear that The Fight: Lights Out will have a 3D version but what else?
 

DrDamn

Established Member
This year we should have:

Gran Turismo 5 - don't hold your breath for that one yeah ;)
LittleBigPlanet 2
Crysis 2
Sly Cooper Collection (PS2 games remastered and supporting 3D)

Early-ish Next year:

Motorstorm Apocalypse
Killzone 3

Not sure when ...

Mortal Kombat, Shaun White, Tron, NBA2K11. Apparently 20 games by next March. Anything out of Sony's own studios is reasonably likely to support it.
 
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gekko21

Established Member
Thanks for the swift response - that's a very helpful post. Glad to see Motorstorm is going to be 3D. I've really enjoyed the demo of Pacific Rift and am keen to play more of that.
 

DrDamn

Established Member
From E3 impressions earlier this year Motorstorm also has some of the most impressive 3D. I put LBP2 up there but official confirmed support may not have been announced yet - there have been hints and demos shown - but as an actual product feature I'm not so sure now. It may be that it gets patched in later.
 

kkool

Standard Member
Hope I can clear up some misconceptions here:

PS3 does NOT require HDMI v1.4 cable. PS3 actually creates a 3d image using a lower resolution than a bluray 3D film.

3D actually works by sending two images (for bluray two 1080p signals) which a standard HDMI cable v1.3 or less simply cannot handle safely without losing frames. In the PS3 it uses a lower resolution to create the same effect but instead of using 1080p I believe it uses 720p signal which can fit safely down a HDMI v1.3 or lower.

Therefore HDMI v1.4 is ONLY required when using a 1080p signal as produced with a bluray device.

I would NEVER buy any cable from Comet or Currys as these will be considerably higher priced than online - although you do get the chance to talk to a human before buying so if you have absolutely no idea about what cable you need then maybe you need to discuss with somebody before buying.

Hi Sledwich.. so what HDMI cable will be required from the PS3 to the tv once (PS3) has been enbaled to play 3D blueray films? I have heard a lot of mixed answers and just require some clarity. Thanks
 

the_seb

Established Member
Hi Sledwich.. so what HDMI cable will be required from the PS3 to the tv once (PS3) has been enbaled to play 3D blueray films? I have heard a lot of mixed answers and just require some clarity. Thanks

The cables required are referred to as HIGH SPEED or HDMI 1.4

This cable will be more than adequate

2m 1.4 HDMI Cable - HDplatinum High Speed HDMI with ethernet

£12.99 for 2 metres. I can't find the 1 metre one on the site. It should be there somewhere
HDplatinum HDMI® cable certified as HIGH SPEED with ETHERNET up to 7m in accordance with the HDMI 1.4 specification featuring HDMI® v.1.4 with Audio Return Channel, HDMI Ethernet Channel, 4K-resolution support (4096p) and 3D over HDMI.
 

Metalex

Established Member
The cables required are referred to as HIGH SPEED or HDMI 1.4

This cable will be more than adequate

2m 1.4 HDMI Cable - HDplatinum High Speed HDMI with ethernet

£12.99 for 2 metres. I can't find the 1 metre one on the site. It should be there somewhere
Will that cable be necessary? Is the PS3 somehow going to support ethernet via HDMI after an update?

I'm going to place a bet and say that I reckon any High Speed "HDMI 1.3" cable will be adequate for the PS3 and 3D Blu-ray. The bandwidth of HDMI 1.3 is the same as HDMI 1.4.
 

DrDamn

Established Member
Best advice is to try and use what you have already and *if* you have issues then look at an upgrade. In terms of bandwidth 3D Bluray at 1080p24 x 2 (once for each eye) is still less than the 1080p60 which a PS3 can do quite happily now.
 

sledwich

Established Member
Not sure if anybody has tried this but - DOES the 3d Games work when the HDMI cable goes via your AMP?
 

sledwich

Established Member
Do you mean on HDMI 1.3 amps?

According to this guy it does.

Interesting - I have a Sony DA2400ES so does anybody have experience with this AMP - although I dont see why it would be different?
 

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