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Proof there is no need to buy a DSLR ?

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  1. DJW

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    Hope you guys can see this link if not registered, but this has made me seriously question the need for a DSLR , when this lady produces such brilliant shots from a £300 camera :eek:

    http://www.ephotozine.com/user.cfm?user=18834

    Appreciate there is probably some PS work done, but just goes to show it's the user & not the camera that make the shots :lesson:
     
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    I've seen some amazing shots with compacts, i'd never ever say that you can't take fantastic shots with them.

    Location plays a huge part, look at this for some of the most breath taking landscapes i have ever seen. http://www.pbase.com/sdommin/favorites


    Landscapes for both the above people seems to be their style and they very good at them, and are lucky enough to travell to such places. That's half the battle of course

    Only reason why anybody should buy a dlrs is becuse they want the full scope of photraphy. From sport to wildlife to the Aero shots that john takes.


    A single lens can just never do that


    It can be a lens that makes the shot, you're never going to the sort of shots john takes with a compact or some of the grand prix shots ect or indoor sports in low light without a fast lens. Landscapes aside from compostion (which is very important) can be taken on most any camera, if your in beautiful places thats half the battle with landscapes.


    But never in my life would i think for one second you can't take a amazing photos with compacts, i'm just saying that because of the scope of lenses they adapt to just about any situation. That's the main reason why i bought one and people should not buy one otherwise
     
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    Theres a lot of infra red shots there. something I've played with. Unfortunately every digital camera I have owned has been highly IR filtered meaning all my efforts have been severely hampered by long exposures large apertures and noise.

    There are instructions on the net for IR enabling a few cameras by dismantling and removing the filter. Might have a go one day with an ebay cheapy.

    Bunch of IR info and gallery links here
     
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    depends what you want to do, for what she does (which she does very very very well) a compact may surfice but for others a compact simply isnt an option.

    i dont think that gallery is proof at all.

    for example, the zoom on the majority of compacts is simply not good enough for birdwatching, motorsports, aviation shots. similarly, compacts have real problems coping with low light, high movement photography.

    please stop preaching that "you dont need a DSLR" blah blah blah, it gets very boring, YOU might not, but depending on the aspirations of the person in question, they may need one.

    i have a DSLR not because i want one, i have one because it suits the style of work i do, and i can tailor the lens choice (which generally means a better lens) to what im doing, as seany says, its a base unit whcih allows me to do practically anything, i can run professional studio flashes from my camera, i can run remote slave units (if i so wish) to flash in different places, a dslr it also alot quicker focusing and response time, something that makes a different when your working with fast moving objects.

    i have a compact digi, which ive used very very very well, done all sorts with it and had fantastic shots with it, however as soon as i changed to a DSLR, im now getting better shots, less wastage because when i press the shutter it takes the picture of the person in the air and not .2 of a second after hes landed :D
     
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    A big part of why I own a DSLR is the ease of use. i.e. real viewfinder, easy to handle, not reliant on a screen you can't see in the sun to frame compositions etc...

    As Sean says, a big part of landscapes is being able to travel to the right place to take them. I love David Noton's work and his feature in Practical Photography every month. I doubt if he'd be quite as successful if he had a family to maintain and he lived in Bradford though!
     
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    There's no doubting in the right hands a DSLR will produce excellent results, however as we saw last week with the guy who posted his first canon 350D results, the pictures can be poor and that's been kind.

    I think for 80 or maybe even 90% of situations a good high zoom compact (FZ5 / Oly 770) will give outstanding results (and yes sean the fast lens is very flexible - 35mm-436mm) with a superb image stabilisation on the Panni.

    If you require results in the other 10-20% of scenario's like the boxing (excellent by the way) then you do need the DSLR. For the priveledge of this though you need more bulky kit, to pay more money and to have more knowledge about what you're doing.

    For those still not convinced have a look at these stunning Oly 770 compact pics :-

    http://www.pbase.com/wayne_n/c770_favourites

    At the end of the day it's personal choice but I reckon 85% of the people in 85% of situations will get stunning results (DSLR rivaling even) from the 770 or the FZ5 for only 25% of the cost......your choice !
     
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    http://www.ephotozine.com/user.cfm?user=18834

    I’ve see this ladies work before, she has a very specific look to her photography, however what it tells me is that she has a great eye for a picture and has a complete understanding of the camera and software she uses with which to achieve the desired shot. For that I commend her.

    That said, we also don’t know her personal circumstances, it may be she hasn’t the disposable income to buy a DSLR (I know how she feels) and is making the most of what she has, in that respect she’s doing a hell of a job and as with a lot of things in this world, people who make the most of what they have usually come up with the goods where as those that have everything rarely achieve the same!

    And this is where I see where Dave’s coming from in one respect, I’ve seen over the years so many poor photo’s taken with quality gear its enough to make you want to cry. Great hardware does not make a good photographer period!!

    I only have a compact digital camera at the moment but have used 35mm SLR’s for the last 25yrs so I would like to think I have a good knowledge of the mechanics of photography, what I’m working on now is opening my eyes to the world around me, there’s a photo in everything if you look closely enough.

    Will I get a DSLR once finances allow??

    You bet!!
     
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    I think the point here is that for 90% of camera users a compact/super zoom/prosumer digital camera is fine for what they need and in a high percentage of cases they will match the results of a DSLR at a fraction of the price.
    It's only when getting into specialist areas (fast aircraft, low light band photography etc) that a DSLR comes into its own - but this is also at a lot of expense. My personal opinion is that too many people buy DSLR's when a good non DSLR would suit their needs perfectly well. As stated by the original post the most impotant thing is the person taking the pics. I have seen some truly embarassing pictures taken with a DSLR by people who haven't got a clue what they are doing but think spending £2K on gear means they will get good results.

    Matt.
     
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    Apologies - my post pretty much says the same as MJW123 and Zones, Must have typed it at the same time.

    Matt.
     
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    One of the best posts I've read for a while. :thumbsup:

    In the words of the Stones "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might just get what you need"
     
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    I know for a fact that i'm already getting shots that i could never get when i had a compact. Everything is a learning curve, you can't jump in a manual car after driving a automatic and expect to just take off so it's totally unfair to a person to expect them to master a dslr from the get go. You have to learn, and for those that don’t want to then so be it.

    I use low light photography, does not make me a specialist just means i can now get shots i could never get before.

    Lenses are paint brushes, people keep going on about dslrs, they are nothing without lenses

    Jamie and his band photography. could not get shots like that often with a compact
    he's only had a dslr for a few months...

    90% is a silly figure and absolute pie in the sky, that's just as bad as saying if you were really in to photography you'd have a dlsr. But i don't make generalisation like that...

    I'm 9 months in with my dlslr and more and more photography is becoming such a huge part of my life. I've serious plans to get in to photography all aspects off it and i already know what lenses i need just a matter of getting the money together …


    For every good gallery used with a compact i could come up with much more of the one's below, i spend hrs just looking at photos from every kind of camera be it digital to a range finder


    http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=6247


    This is really a silly debate, you don’t often see it on other sites, or at least i haven't.


    Most of us who have DSLRS have come from compacts, the majority who said most don't need one have never actually owned one, to me you can't get a balanced view from seeing a mate learning to use one or seeing the odd photo that never impressed you.

    With in a few weeks/months of owning one, once you've invested in some lenses and learnt more about what they are capable it would become obvious.
     
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    Note this was raised by myself as a personal view for my circumstances. Fully understand others may want DSLR's , as I have at the mo. Intention was to show that amazing results can be produced for non DSLR prices & that for some of us we should maybe question if a DSLR will make us a better photographer or not.

    Fully understand that with everything in life, it does not matter if we don't make the most of what we have, but at least have the option to own it if we want & "try" to improve :)
     
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    :thumbsup: I've had lots of compacts in the past, the best I had was an FZ20, which was a great camera with lots of flexibility. I am chuffed that I have moved to a DSLR, trouble is I keep falling off the learning curve!

    So ultimately I need a DSLR because...............it makes me happy :)

    .....I also need a 'Harley' a 'Merc amg' a luxury yacht a speed boat (or 2) a few billion pounds and then my life would be complete. Still I do envy those talented b*ggers who have taken those pictures. My time will come eventually, just another 20 years of practice, patience and a little luck :smashin:
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Spot on :)
     
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    I'm already getting better results simply shooting the things i did before

    I've always liked shooting people, i still love shooting people. My photos are just better now and i have a higher sucess rate. The way my lenses seprate the subject from the background, the light i can capture them in without worrying abou blurring or noise. I was not able to do that before. I don't have to stand on everest or go to monico to know i made the right choice, i know it ever time i turn my camera on

    I'm getting much more out of photogrpahy already, and i'm on a very long road and one i'm looking forward to travelling.
     
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    & you don't get ones on scrapping with photo subjects in the street ;) , ....that's whats so refreshing about this forum :smashin:
     
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    somewhere else :laugh:


    Sorry mate, what i meant was that they go a bit silly. 90% and all that :rolleyes:
     
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    As all this has actually been said before i can't see anything new being said so i'm going to close it fellas .
     
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