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Projector newbie needs help...

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Dan_K, Aug 11, 2001.

  1. Dan_K

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    I've been into HC for a while but haven't, as yet, plucked up the courage (or the cash <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) to get a HC projector...

    I was just gonna get a cheap LCD for now but the issue of bulb life kinda worries me so I thought about the less conveniant but longer lasting Ellie CRT...

    My question is would it be advisable to put it in my largest (and most used) sitting room (17' x 17') and suffer the wrath of bad lighting and an ugly screen when its not in use or will my small spare room (16' x 14') be big enough for such a substantial projector?

    Oh and while I'm on is the line doubler on the Ellie made redundant when its paired with a progressive scan DVD like the Pioneer 737 and a NTSC source? And does it work on PAL sources as well?

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  2. Dan_K

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    OK...a few more questions...since the Ellie doesn't have component video imputs will the picture quality be compromised and will progressive scan still be possible from the 737 (sorry kinda a stupid question <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> )

    Also I checked out a VPL-VW10HT today and was most impressed but I could notice a couple of dead pixels but my main concern would be dust...just how much of a risk are you really taking with a LCD projector and what measures can you take to ensure it's longevity?

    Oh one more do you guys recommend roof mounting the VPL-VW10HT?

    I have done a search for other threads but none exactly answered my questions (or perhaps I just need glasses <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> )

    Thanks to anyone who answers
     
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    My crt projector is in a room 16' by 9' and have an 8' width screen on the 9' wall. Its a perfect size.
     
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    Cool...It'll be good to have a proper HC room rather than have to make compromises and force a HC into my living room
     
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    The Ellie can only reliably fed via the s-video input. This goes through the line doubler to produce a great image from DVD, VHS or whatever.<br />Since it doesn't have component or reliable RGB input, progressive scan isn't an option. There is an optional component board for the machine, but that doesn't mean the machine is capable of progressive scan via that route. I don'tknow whether it is or isn't.<br />I have heard of people using the Ellie at 640x480 with a VGA input, and this might be an option for a home cinema computer or video processor.<br />We aware though that if you intend to use a 7 foot + wide screen that you will probably need more than 480 horizontal lines. 600 + is recommended (i.e. 800x600).<br />CRT will work just fine in your smaller room. For a better W.A.F. you should use that room IMO.<br />LCD projectors just can't compare with CRT. If you can get CRT (some people can't because of the size etc), then DO get CRT.
     
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    OK thanks Spectre...one more question (sorry <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> ) can anyone recommend my a good video processor that I could pair with the Ellie since I'm a total newcomer to video projectors and the associated technologies...

    Thanks again
     
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    Dan k

    Whilst the Ellie is lovely projector for its price. <br />It does seem to have problems with external sources which I thinks has more to to with Syncs than capability.

    The internal line doublers of CRT PJs (Barco,Sony etc) are by passed when progressive scan is input.

    A HTPC onto a projector only capable of 640x480 IMHO would be a waste.

    Roland
     
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    OK since I am on a tight budget (but still desire a nice HC at the end of the day) would a straight forward S-video connection from my DVD to the Ellie have sufficient resolution and quality, and would it be free from scan lines and image flicker...

    Also would the quality of a progressive scan image on a VPL-VW10HT come anywhere near the line doubled image of the Ellie...

    Sorry for all the stupid questions (thanks for your patience guys) but I wanna be sure of what I should be expecting before I go off auditioning kit...
     
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    Dan,

    I'd guess that if the Ellie can do doubling of NTSC and PAL with its internal doubler then using an offboard doubler like an Iscan Pro would be appropriate. This should offer superior performance to the internal unit inthe Ellie.

    AS to which is better a VPL10 or an Ellie....It depends on your requirement. I would strongly suggest a visit to see Jim at Ellie. I'd also suggets seeing someone who has a VPL10 on dem.

    You might also want to consider looking at a s/h CRT from one of the many suppliers we now have in the UK.

    Gordon
     
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    Gordon,

    I would definatly consider going s/h if the price was right...I checked out your site but it looks like you've got nothing in ATM but I was suprised at how inexpensive your past s/h projectors have been...

    Perhaps a s/h projector with a RGBHV or component input would be more appropriate...

    BTW I've already demo'ed a VPL10 and was most impressed and since its the only (new) HC projector I can benchmarks other products against thats why I keep bringing it up...
     
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    These are some of my observations with the Ellie which I have had for about 10 months now. Firstly it is a far better purchase if you have visited Jim in Sutton Coalfield and seen it for yourself, no-one can tell you on paper what it will look like to you. Secondly , the SVHS input gives an excellent picture, if in doubt read the articles in HCC about it. As far as progressive scan is concerned there are two points to make. I put together a HTPC for £450 which gives me progressive scan via the VGA connection. I watch the movies at 640 x 480 and the picture is excellent quality. I believe from previous posts that effectively the progressive scan does the same job as the line doubler ,so by-passing it for VGA is irrelevant. As far as other resolutions, the Ellie does 800 x 600 with no problem but the picture gets smaller.(there is a thread about this) If you want this resolution then get the guys to set up the projector to accomodate this when they install it. I didn't and so would now find it a bit more difficult to adjust. As mine is a temporary installation I put up with it. I use 800 x 600 if I use the computer for non-DVD stuff like games or the internet in which case a size reduction of about 6" across doesn't bother me as I still have Half Life on a 7' screen. Lastly the service provided by the team is excellent. I had a problem on the Ellie and within a week they had come and completely replaced it, so their guarantee works. Just one more thing, I have watched a movie in 800 x 600 and it was much softer than 640 x 480. I believe this is to do with overlapping lines as neither NTSC or PAL is 600 lines. NTSC is 480 visible lines which is perfect for VGA and the vast majority of my DVDs are Region 1. I suppose a multiple of this would be as good but the Ellie really won't go above 800 x 600. Still if it could do everything it wouldn't be the price it is.
     
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    So are there any striking deals on the M2N page...the BarcoVision 708mm looks pretty good value at £3500 + VAT...

    Does the fact that its got IRIS mean that I don't need to pay a engineer to set it up or will it just aid me when it comes to fine tuning the convergance?
     
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    The Iris unit (value around £1000 new) has, IMO, limited use. Mine was used to get the convergence roughly set up when Roland was installing my projectors. And that, I feel, is it's best use.<br />You still need the projector physically putting in place and setting up manually. The Iris then looks at projected patterns (with it's small built-in camera) and adjusts the electronic convergence to around 95%. The engineer is needed to tweak the settings for that last 5%.<br />It doesn't take long to learn how to tweak the convergence yourself, and over time, this will be a useful skill to have.<br />The projectors on the M2N page are actually supplied by Roland of B4 and the M2N page will be removed when the B4 website comes online later this month.
     
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    Ok thanks again Spectre...I've read a lot of good press about Roland on this forum so I guess I'll wait till the B4 page is up and running and have a look-see...

    I've arranged to check out a friend of a friends Barco 708 so I guess I'll get to see what these machines are really capable of...

    Thanks for all the answers guys...you'll be glad to know thats my lot (for now <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )
     

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