Prog Scan

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  1. petrolhead

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    Why is Prog Scan on Pal illegal and on NTSC ok?
     
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    Because the format (576p) has not been ratified by the UK standards body (whatever they are called) yet. There has been fighting going on for a number of years over it. As usual we come way down the line in terms of technology in this country because of all the damned beaurocracy (if you ask me). One of the (many) reasons this country will always be second rate and never "Great" again.
     
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    Cheers for that.

    FYI Messiah I have just finished reading your thread on the TW100. Good article
     
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    It's not a UK standards body, it's the DVD Forum, I believe.

    A search for 576P reveals a few previous threads you may be interested in (including one on this same topic a couple of weeks ago).

    Cheers,
    Liam
     
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    There's an article on this very subject in one of my HC mags. If you're interested I can dig it out and scan/post. If it would be useful.
     
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    That would be helpful mesiah if it not too much bother

    If you can scan it and email to [email protected]

    Cheers
     
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    A more official reply is to search the previous posts - there are a lot of them on the subject.
    Briefly it's because the DVD Forum standards body (a US outfit) gave the go-ahead to create a Macrovision copy protection system for Progressive NTSC but forgot to ask for one for PAL.
    Until they can copy protect PAL progressive playback of DVDs, the DVD Forum body won't allow any players to ouput it.
     
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    petrolhead

    Apologies but my PC with scanner crashed last night and I cannot get it back online as it will not boot from floppy, CD or HDD (bl**dy MS). Soon as I get it back on line I will scan and send as promised.
     
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    Ok no prob

    Hope you get the bl$$dy thing fixed :)
     
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    As Spectre said earlier, this issue is purely down to an original oversight by the DVD Forum in that they didn't mandate a standard for prog scan in PAL TV territories as part of the DVD CSS copy protection system.

    But...and for once.....this is a good but!

    Macrovision has published a 625P specification for content protection!!!! and a presentation has been made to the DVD content protection working group by Arcam.

    There will be another DVD meeting in September where this subject will be discussed (again) and it's expected that that the CSS licence (which mandates that all DVD players must have copy protection system) will be revised to update for PAL prog scan specification, which in turn means that suitably equiped PAL players can be legally sold!!!! :D

    Sony & Pioneer have already announced that as soon as this happens they will release players on the market. It is reasonable to expect all serious players in the DVD market to fall over themselves to be first on the market with a "legal" PAL prog scan equiped player. (Philips, Arcam, Denon, Toshiba etc etc)

    Good news indeed i think! :D :cool: :D

    Who is gonna take a bet that we have a couple of players on the market legally before chrimbo!:D
     
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    I had heard the same story that macrovision had released a pal prog scan standard and that things might get sorted this september.

    Could that be why Phillips are a: releasing the 963sa with DCDi in europe, b: delaying it for months??

    j
     
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    Optimistically...yep...I hope so!

    I for one will be in the queue for a Denon, especially as those enterprising Germans should have hacked either or both of the 2800 MKII or 3800's :)

    Another one to watch is Techtronics premium on the Pioneer 747.

    If PAL prog is common or garden technology...then their price should drop drastically. actually I will just say the critical word there again...SHOULD! :D

    I for one, am feeling slightly better about not being able to spend my money on the Plasma panel and DVD I wanted yet as things are moving in the right directions as far as available products and prices over the next couple of months! :)
     
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    Just got hold of a Primare V25.

    It has Pal progressive scan! It's in the service menu along with such useful features as region selection and macrovision disable

    It also has a VGA output to plasma.

    It seemed such good value for less than £900 I just had to have one and the video quality is IMHO soooo smoooth:)

    Has anyone had problems with this model?
     

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