I borrowed a copy of PES5 just to see what it was like before I bought it. Im glad I did because I thought it was crap, if this is the best football game to have the others must be absolute dog droppings. The commentary is just wrong i.e. My player bend down to head the ball commentary "he is the only player that got up to that one" I hit the post commentary "that free kick was wasted" No matter where you kick the ball there is always a player from the opposing team waiting to "intercept" the pass. The passing is crap, it does not pass where you were aiming to pass. I could go on for hours! It seems to me that over the years there has been a great improvement in graphic's on footie games, and game play has gone out the window. Who want to watch Roy Keene scrarch his arse. I think the best footie game I have played was the last ISS on the N64. I do hope that there is a decent footie game coming out and not more of the same good looking crap!