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Price cut already - a sign of things to come ?

claretandblue

Standard Member
Any one feel ripped off paying £425 less than 2 weeks ago - WH Smith now selling a PS3 for £400, Play.com the same price with a HDMI lead and blue ray dvd !! Could this be the sign of things to come due to the lack of early interest in the console ? :eek:
 

SteveG

Active Member
They probably wont get Casino Royale so it's really only £10 cheaper. I don't feel ripped off, I knew I was paying a premium to have it at launch. Well worth £425 in my mind.
 

MarVell

Active Member
The PS3 needs a price cut asap if it is to compete with the Wii and 360 but it needs to come from Sony themselves, not isolated retailers. It would do no harm to introduce a £350 20GB package either.
 

Bojanglez

Active Member
I don't feel ripped off, I have probably had £25 worth of entertainment over the past 2 weeks. I hope the price continues to come down in the lead up to Christmas to get the system established. I need more of my mates to get them so I can play them online.
 

Sonic67

Banned
...there is apparently not enough demand for a 20gb version in the uk.

How do they know? Any surveys been done? Why are we so different?
 

PAH

Active Member
Maybe not at the prices Sony were hoping to charge for it.

In this day when 20gb is almost useless the 60gb should be the lower spec one. Assuming Sony are sourcing these from a big hard drive manufacturer it should be cheaper for them to use current established (mass produced) drive capacities. I think 40gb or 80gb is the absolute minimum mass market size these days.
 

SZQuddy

Standard Member
They should release a version with no hard disk at all if that's possible. Then you can buy your own one at whatever size and as cheaply as possible.

Also, I think £399 was their aim anyway. £425 seemed a bit of an odd figure and probably just for those who were going to get one anyway whatever the cost. Getting it under £400 gives the impression its more affordable. I may get one at this price, the Play deal seems the best so far.
 

SteveG

Active Member
They should release a version with no hard disk at all if that's possible. Then you can buy your own one at whatever size and as cheaply as possible.

It's not possible. Most if not all games write data to the hard disk to make the game run/load quicker and for game saves. Developers can't be expected to write two versions of the game for people with/without HDDs.
 

Bojanglez

Active Member
It's not possible. Most if not all games write data to the hard disk to make the game run/load quicker and for game saves. Developers can't be expected to write two versions of the game for people with/without HDDs.

This is going to be a big problem for 360 developers, as they will always have to cater for the fact that there are people out there with gimped systems.
 

Tony_T

Active Member
With all this chat about 20gb drives I thought I'd take a quick look at ebuyer for reference.

Surprisingly, you can still buy a 2.5" 20gb drive, but it costs about the same as a 2.5" 60gb drive at around £26 - £40. In fact, like for like, I think there is a £1 difference in price.

I thought perhaps 20gb drives might be discontinued as Sony didn't bring them to Eurpoe and MS are updrading to an 'elite' model....

Suffice to say, a 20gb model isn't going to make any real difference to the price unless Sony produce a 'core' model with no HDD....
 

Dave

Distinguished Member
This is going to be a big problem for 360 developers, as they will always have to cater for the fact that there are people out there with gimped systems.

Not really, all it takes is an instruction for the software to cache data if the hard disk is available.

I'd hardly call a system without a hard disc "gimped".
 

SteveG

Active Member
This is going to be a big problem for 360 developers, as they will always have to cater for the fact that there are people out there with gimped systems.

As games get bigger I imagine they will eventually just phase out supporting those without HDDs so they can compete with the PS3. Remember the 16k Spectrum?
 

Jim_Fear

Active Member
Not really, all it takes is an instruction for the software to cache data if the hard disk is available.

I'd hardly call a system without a hard disc "gimped".

It just means the poor souls with no hard drives will have gimped games instead, caching improves performance...no cache = less performance
 

Dave

Distinguished Member
It just means the poor souls with no hard drives will have gimped games instead, caching improves performance...no cache = less performance

Indeed but the speed of the DVD drive makes it not so much of a problem. It just means loading times take slightly longer.

Still not what I'd call gimped but each to their own.;)
 

Chiribo

Active Member
Does anyone else actually realise that the 20GB model is more than just a smaller hard drive? The 20GB model that was out in Japan was a model that didn't include WiFi, media card readers and HDMI output.

Now if they were to release the same 20GB version here, they would yet again get people complaining, mostly in part of it not having HDMI more than anything else and if they're gonna put in HDMI into the 20gb PS3 then people will whine more and more.

I just personaly hope they reduce the price of the main 60GB SKU so that more of my friends can addopt without bitching about the price :)
 

Inexorable10

Standard Member
Does anyone else actually realise that the 20GB model is more than just a smaller hard drive? The 20GB model that was out in Japan was a model that didn't include WiFi, media card readers and HDMI output.

Now if they were to release the same 20GB version here, they would yet again get people complaining, mostly in part of it not having HDMI more than anything else and if they're gonna put in HDMI into the 20gb PS3 then people will whine more and more.

I just personaly hope they reduce the price of the main 60GB SKU so that more of my friends can addopt without bitching about the price :)

The 20GB model does have HDMI output. The only reasoning I can see behind not introducing the 20GB model in Europe is that Sony makes a greater loss on the 20GB model.
 

Indiana Jones

Distinguished Member
Does anyone else actually realise that the 20GB model is more than just a smaller hard drive? The 20GB model that was out in Japan was a model that didn't include WiFi, media card readers and HDMI output.

Now if they were to release the same 20GB version here, they would yet again get people complaining, mostly in part of it not having HDMI more than anything else and if they're gonna put in HDMI into the 20gb PS3 then people will whine more and more.

I just personaly hope they reduce the price of the main 60GB SKU so that more of my friends can addopt without bitching about the price :)

True it doesnt have WiFi or the card reader but it does have an HDMI output.
 

Chiribo

Active Member
The 20GB model does have HDMI output. The only reasoning I can see behind not introducing the 20GB model in Europe is that Sony makes a greater loss on the 20GB model.
Ahh seems they chanced it since the unveiling, gotta admit haven't followed that :p was only ever planing on buying the 60GB version anyway :)
 

Bigsmoke

Banned
Apparently Gameplay have jumped on the bangwagon and also reduced the
PS3 to £399.99!! Why didnt sony just release it at this price!! its bound to be a little worrying that so many retailers are already reducing prices just 2 weeks after release.
 

bankies

Active Member
My local Gamestation are doing PS3 + Xmen on bluray for £399. :thumbsup:

Think its also on the website.

If it had been Motorstorm rather than a movie I might have gone for it :eek:
 

runam0k

Well-known Member
With regards to Sony introducing a 20gb version of the playstation 3, that is not likely to happen as I was talking to a sony representative in John Lewis Reading last week, and there is apparently not enough demand for a 20gb version in the uk.
Great excuse, isn't it? The US gaming press speculated a while back Sony actually lose more on the 20GB unit, hence 20GB units are getting hard to find over there.

Also, I think £399 was their aim anyway. £425 seemed a bit of an odd figure and probably just for those who were going to get one anyway whatever the cost.
There's a great interview out there on the Internet. The Sony guy says something like, "When we priced it at £425 it was for the gamers. We wanted to go £429, but we went £425 for the gamers." lol

As games get bigger I imagine they will eventually just phase out supporting those without HDDs so they can compete with the PS3. Remember the 16k Spectrum?
There are one or two games that require the HDD already, but only because they save a lot of game data. Very few games will ever need to store that much data. The size of the game is otherwise irrelevant.
 

Sonic67

Banned

psikey

Distinguished Member
There are one or two games that require the HDD already, but only because they save a lot of game data. Very few games will ever need to store that much data. The size of the game is otherwise irrelevant.

Every game I have for the PS3 installs some data from abount 75MB with Virtua Tennis to 4GB with Oblivion.

Oblivion is far more playable without the delays the 360 version has and for that alone it's worth having a hard drive.
 

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