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PrePro with iLink and DVI/HDMI

Discussion in 'AV Pre-Amp/Processors & Power Amps' started by ritesh, Mar 8, 2005.

  1. ritesh

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    Hi,

    Newbie here, trying to upgrade from Marantz SR7200 AVR to either another AVR or Pre-pro.

    However, apart from the SQ, at least in features department, I am really after iLink and if possible DVI/HDMI inputs as well.

    Whilst on the AVR fronts there are a few babies with these features, I am not aware of any on purely the Prepro front. Are there any such prepros? Or are there some from the likes of Rotel etc. in the pipeline?

    Or would I just go for the AVR and make use of it as a PrePro and then consider adding a seperate Amp. later on?

    Thanks,

    Ritesh
     
  2. mattross

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    I haven't seen any yet but would be interested in any details also. I'm teetering on the brink of buying a Pio VSA-AX10AiS integrated and it doesn't have HDMI which would be very useful. Not sure if I should hold on and get a processor/poweramp with HDMI or go for the Pio now.
     
  3. dts_boy

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    IIRC, parasound are working on a hdmi/dvi type switching board as an upgarde for the c1/c2. i am not really interested in those features as all my swithcing is done directly into the tv.
     
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  5. Thunder

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    Why is having HDMI so essential? Its no better than a good SP/DIF connection :) In fact if you read the Hi fi News review of the Denon AVC XV they found that the coaxial digital interface performed far better than its HDMI counterpart which introduced large stability problems into the digital audio signal path. Dont just get something because its the latest fad, only get it if its actually better :thumbsup:
     
  6. ritesh

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    Not sure I'd agree with the above, without hearing it myself...

    But in addition to the Sound, there is something called video which is also carried by HDMI.

    The reason for the question was to ensure as much future proofing as possible (if there is such a thing); but more important to switch best available audio and video connections today....

    HDMI input ensure HDMI and DVI video switching as well....

    Anyway, have done more research, here is what I have found....

    As mentioned above, Pioneer looks very very nice, especially with their advanced MCACC; but pity it doesn't have either DVI or HDMI.

    Similarly, Marantz SR8500 looks nice with 2 DVI inputs, but pity no iLink.

    For anyone who care, Integra RDC 7.1 prepro can be upgraded with HDMI and iLink boards.....

    For the receivers, the new Denon (and upcoming smaller brother) have both DVI and HDMI, as well as iLink.

    Hopefully we'll have more options soon....

    Ritesh
     
  7. Tejstar

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    The new Arcam pre-pro will have HDMI switching but no i-link.

    (1) Arcam AVP700 Introduction

    Having established itself as a leader in high performance AV products, Arcam has been delighted with customer reaction to the AVR300 and AVR250 receiver models introduced in 2004. To build on this success its designers were briefed to push the performance envelope even further. It came as no surprise that, as in high-end stereo audio systems, the sonic improvements from separating the pre-amp processor and power amplifier sections into separate units yielded big gains in clarity, neutrality and dynamics. In addition, a well-designed processor / power amplifier combination offers improvements in electromagnetic performance and current delivery, allowing an even more realistic and enveloping sound full of cinematic drama and musical passion.
    The AVP700 builds on Arcam's impressive history and together with its natural partner, the new P1000 power amp, allows a truly spectacular multichannel sound system to be created. Drawing heavily on the design work of the world-renowned FMJ AV8 processor, the AVP700 offers the intensive feature set demanded by AV enthusiasts and custom installers alike. Video format up-conversion, HDMI digital video switching and full duplexRS232 allow the AVP700 to simplify typical home systems and integrate into the most complex installs. World-class audio processing within the AVP700 delivers a sound quality that with enthral even the most discerning listeners regardless of the source material or decoding mode required.

    • Dolby Digital EX, DTS ES, DTS 24/96 & Dolby Pro Logic IIx decoding
    • 2-way HDMI switching
    • balanced audio outputs
    • HDTV compatible component / RGB switching
    • Composite and S-video up conversion to component or RGB
    • 2nd zone output with audio and video
    • 2-way RS232 control port
    • RDS tuner on board
    • Audiophile sound quality for movies and music
     
  8. Tejstar

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    (1) AVP700 Home Cinema Processor - Technical Specifications

    Analogue Audio

    • Audiophile quality components for best sound quality, including 1% metal film resistors, polypropylene film capacitors, OSCON electrolytic capacitors & double sided, through-plated fibreglass circuit boards
    • Balanced & Unbalanced pre amp outputs for all 7 channels and subwoofer
    • Multi-channel 7.1 analogue input for DVD-A or SACD sources
    • Stereo direct switch bypasses and disables all digital processing for 2 channel analogue sources
    • 7 stereo analogue inputs (plus tuner); 3 tape outputs (one a tape loop)
    • Zone 2 stereo audio, from stereo analogue inputs or internal tuner. Source and volume control independent from main outputs
    • Built in FM/AM RDS stereo tuner with 30 FM and 16 AM presets

    Digital Audio

    • State of the art Crystal Semiconductors CS49400 DSP, with 24-bit fixed point double precision Dolby Digital and DTS decoding and 32-bit fixed point double precision bass management. 4 layer PCBs
    • Wolfson Microelectronics 24-bit 192kHz DACs, stereo ADC and precision electronic volume controls
    • Decodes Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx (including full music mode support), DTS 96/24, DTS-ES Discrete and Matrix 6.1, DTS Neo 6
    • 6 Arcam-optimised surround effects modes for 2 channel sources
    • Adjustable crossover switching from 40 – 130 Hz in 10 Hz steps
    • Separate sub woofer level settings for film and stereo listening
    • Bass and treble equalizers, both global and for each of 7 main channels
    • 6 fully assignable digital inputs, 3 co-axial, 3 optical; 1 coaxial & 1 optical output
    • Assignable global audio delay, adjustable from 0 – 220 milliseconds, to compensate for video processing delays in digital displays or DVD players

    Video

    • 2-way HDMI switching, HDCP compatible
    • 5 composite and 5 S-video inputs; 3 fully buffered outputs of each type
    • 3x HDTV compatible component video inputs and 1 monitor output (these may alternatively be configured to support RGB, with sync on composite video, for use in European TV systems
    • Video up conversion – composite to S-video and vice versa via the monitor outputs; composite and S-video to interlaced component video
    • Video up conversion to RGB with sync on composite (SCART compatible) for European TV displays. 12V triggers support S-video, RGB and widescreen switching for SCART equipped TVs.
    • Composite and S-video inputs assignable to “non video” audio inputs
    • High quality (component / RGB) inputs each assignable to any audio input
    • Zone 2 composite video output, from composite video inputs

    Custom Install features

    • Independent Zone 2 (audio + video), with fixed/variable volume & parental access control to sources
    • Duplex RS-232 control; also suitable for system software updates
    • RC-5 remote input jacks for both zones
    • IR pass through for source components
    • Full suite of discrete IR RC-5 codes, including separate on / off etc
    • 12 Volt triggers, on/off for zones 1 and 2 and either SCART control (video in RGB mode) or on / off and video signal sensing (component video mode)

    General

    • Supplied with back-lit CR80 learning remote control with support for up to 7 other components
    • Large, clear 12 character dimmable VFD front panel display
    • Ground lift switch ; User switchable between 120 and 230 Volt mains supplies
    • Size – 430mm wide, 433mm deep, 145mm high
     
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    (2) Arcam P1000 Introduction & Specifications

    Arcam's enviable reputation for high performance AV products has been built over many years. Its engineering expertise, ingenuity and of course experience all come together in its products which are among the best in the world for music and movies. When designing power amplifiers for home cinema there are many conflicting requirements. They must be powerful but run cool. Their sound quality must be consistent from the softest whisper to the loudest explosion. Arcam believes they should also excel with both movies and music. With this in mind, Arcam set about creating the P1000 power amplifier, a perfect match for the new AVP700 AV processor.
    To deliver a clean but dynamic sound field, the P1000 uses seven precisely matched channel modules to ensure consistency of sound from whatever direction it comes. With a rated power of 135wpc into 8 ohms, the P1000 is able to drive and control even the most difficult of speakers and it does this without breaking a sweat! Recognising the need for cool running technology, the P1000 uses an innovative rail switching power amplifier design driven by a huge toroidal transformer based power supply. All components are specified to audiophile tolerances to ensure the world-class sound quality Arcam's customers have come to expect. A 12-volt control input allows remote power up and down of the amplifier to aid custom installations.

    Specifications

    • 7-channel 135wpc power amp
    • high current high efficiency design
    • massive toroidal transformer based power supply
    • balanced & unbalanced inputs
    • 12V trigger input
    • multistage protection system
    • audiophile sound quality for movies and music
     
  10. Thunder

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    Well if we were looking to simply have the best form of video connection, we would have SDI on everything :) HDMI is definately a copy protection exercise :thumbsup:
     
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    How much is the p1000 gonna be then?
     
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    £1500 or so.
     
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    ritesh

    If you want Digital Video switching in your system you could consider adding a Zektor DVS5.1 to any Pre Amp/AV Processor as an alternative to limiting your choice of Pre Amp/AV Processor to the very few on the market with Digital Switching capabilities.

    The Zektor DVS5.1 has 5 Digital Inputs and 1 Digital Output and is fully HDCP compliant - see http://www.zektor.com/dvs51/index.htm

    The DVS5.1 has a learning remote facility and once programmed (a five minute affair) will blend seamlessly with your Audio switching.

    Best regards

    Joe
     

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