Preparation:-What is the best TV to look out for on Black Friday / 2018 spring reductions.

bryfly

Active Member
There are lots of posts on this forum about the best way to find the best deals on good TV’s is to look for some of the top outgoing 2016 models.

I and probably others will be hanging on for the 2017 models to be reduced around Black Friday / new year, I personally will be looking for a 50”/55”, it might be a good idea if possible to list this year’s best TV’s that are likely to fall in price, so those that are waiting can be prepared and jump on the deals immediately.

I’m not savvy enough to create such a list, if worthwhile ,maybe our resident experts will be helpful enough to venture their thoughts.
 

garryboy

Active Member
I'd be looking at Sony XE9005 for around £1000 in the sales.
Seems to be one of the only decent models of 2017.

For me 2017 has been a really disappointing year for tvs.

I feel the TVs have been way overpriced this year with no real improvement in technology Over last years model.

Take the Samsung MU7000 for an example and compare it to last years ks7000 which had quantum dot technology.

Think they pulling the wool over the eyes of the novice buyers who may assume it's a direct replacement/upgrade on last years model.
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Every tv will be reduced over time, there aren't really any exceptions.

55" is usually the size where you find the biggest reductions.

Which models you look at depends how much you're willing to spend.

For example last year people were picking up LG 55B6's for as low as £1750 with discount codes plus cashback.

Keep an eye on the OLED price change thread.

Obviously there are tv's that stand out being promising like the Sony XE9005, XE93005 but I predict pricing on these won't be quite as well discounted as models from Samsung and LG. Sony tend to be more conservative with their stock, perhaps since they don't sell as many as LG or Samsung.

So this probably also means that tvs like the Samsung Q series will be discounted lots, they should be because they aren't really any better than last year's KS series flagship!

Other Samsung models are a bit different this year,.I'll try my best to make an overview article when I get the time.
 

EndlessWaves

Distinguished Member
At 50" it'll be the Sony XE90 and Samsung Q7 that'll be the big sellers among those who want the best cutting edge stuff. The LG SJ80/SJ81, Panasonic EX750 and Philips PUS7502 would be the best for their respective brands.

At 55" it'll be the Sony XE93 and the OLEDs that'll be the most talked about models.

The Sony ZD9 is well worth a look at 65" if there's no physical size limit. Ex-display models are already going for £2.5k
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
At 50" it'll be the Sony XE90 and Samsung Q7 that'll be the big sellers among those who want the best cutting edge stuff. The LG SJ80/SJ81, Panasonic EX750 and Philips PUS7502 would be the best for their respective brands.

At 55" it'll be the Sony XE93 and the OLEDs that'll be the most talked about models.

The Sony ZD9 is well worth a look at 65" if there's no physical size limit. Ex-display models are already going for £2.5k
Very nicely done.
Allow me to make a small variation. You and @Dodgexander resumed it well.

At 50 and 55, the battle will be between xe90, xe93 and Samsung q7. Pana 50 and 58 ex750 will also sell for very cheap. However, Samsung will go very low indeed as horrible year for them (cutting production by 10-15 percent officially is a big big hint). Notice, i don't even mention lg or Philips LCD as not worth it in my books this year.

At 55, oled battle will happen but different price category full stop. B7/c7 and new Philips/pana oled plus sony a1

At 65. The xe90 will hit £1800 or much lower as just seen it priced abroad. Zd9 will go for around £2500 (already seen this price in August several times and cursing my small flat) especially if a zd10 is announced in September ifa event. Difficult price positioning for the xe93 stuck in between
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
If the rumoured 8602 materialises and offers comparable performance to the 7601 but in 55" then Philips may have a contender. Another potential IFA launch.
I missed this one. A direct lid with quantum dot and potentially the p5 chip? Interesting..

Just don't get why they mention 1000 nits for an LCD? Doesn't make sense as usually for oled only. Unless they want to make sure the LCD hits enough nits ???
 

EndlessWaves

Distinguished Member
Just don't get why they mention 1000 nits for an LCD? Doesn't make sense as usually for oled only. Unless they want to make sure the LCD hits enough nits ???
The rest of the range, and the previous PUS7601 were dimmer, hitting about 450cd/m². It definitely needs the extra brightness if it wants to compete with models like the XE93.
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
The rest of the range, and the previous PUS7601 were dimmer, hitting about 450cd/m². It definitely needs the extra brightness if it wants to compete with models like the XE93.
Thanks for all these info. 1000 nits is becoming a minimum for LCD and hope they will try to achieve that number on 20 percent window with a bit more on 10 percent.

Forgot about this 8 series and if they manage to bring a full led with quantum dot plus Dolby vision, that will be a very smart move.

Hope you reading this Philips/to vision because there is a gap in the Market for well priced LCD with fald and dv. Not everyone can afford an oled right now.

@Dodgexander @Steve Withers do you know if The Philips review planned soon. I expect it to be in the avforum offices just after the event. Performance of the new p5 are very interesting on oled and LCD.
 

EndlessWaves

Distinguished Member
Forgot about this 8 series and if they manage to bring a full led with quantum dot plus Dolby vision, that will be a very smart move.

Hope you reading this Philips/to vision because there is a gap in the Market for well priced LCD with fald and dv. Not everyone can afford an oled right now.
Given the recently launched POS9002 doesn't have support for Dolby Vision I wouldn't expect it on this cheaper model.

Generally though if we get a KS9500 without the frills for £1500 in 55" then it could be a very tempting prospect for a lot of people.

Even if it's only offering XE90 performance then another competitor at that level is no bad thing.
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
Given the recently launched POS9002 doesn't have support for Dolby Vision I wouldn't expect it on this cheaper model.

Generally though if we get a KS9500 without the frills for £1500 in 55" then it could be a very tempting prospect for a lot of people.

Even if it's only offering XE90 performance then another competitor at that level is no bad thing.
Will depend on how many zones for the fald and the local dimming. Need it to be as good as the xe93

Something tells me Philips will bite dv so let's hope my hunch is right
 

bryfly

Active Member
Thanks for the input guys really interesting to read, from reading other threads it would appear that any of these TVs will give a worse SD picture than my current HD Set, does any of the mentioned sets perform better for SD then the others?
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
@Goldorak to answer your question I don't know.

The problem with it is though is that Philips are so far behind others with their release schedules and their availability in the UK is very poor. I don't think last years 7601 was reviewed here, there have been reviews of last years PUS6501 and PUS7101 but not 7601..in fact very little 7601's made it to the UK as far as I know.

So the chances of an 8601 review...slim..but I don't know for sure.

@bryfly the very high end TVs are supposed to do a better job. Some people prefer Sony's picture processing but I don't personally find a difference at all. To me they all look bad. Maybe with a TV like the Sony ZD9 they will look better.
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
@Goldorak to answer your question I don't know.

The problem with it is though is that Philips are so far behind others with their release schedules and their availability in the UK is very poor. I don't think last years 7601 was reviewed here, there have been reviews of last years PUS6501 and PUS7101 but not 7601..in fact very little 7601's made it to the UK as far as I know.

So the chances of an 8601 review...slim..but I don't know for sure.

@bryfly the very high end TVs are supposed to do a better job. Some people prefer Sony's picture processing but I don't personally find a difference at all. To me they all look bad. Maybe with a TV like the Sony ZD9 they will look better.
Thanks for reply.
By review, I meant for the latest oled which was available. I was expecting Philips to leave it with avforum for a review. The least they could do really
Beside the oled performance, trying to work out if that p5 is worth all the hype

However, you are right, philips could produce the best TV in the universe, it will remain nada/zero if distribution in U.K. Remains that poor. Time will tell.
 

bryfly

Active Member
@bryfly the very high end TVs are supposed to do a better job. Some people prefer Sony's picture processing but I don't personally find a difference at all. To me they all look bad. Maybe with a TV like the Sony ZD9 they will look better.
It sounds like that currently unless you pay a high price then the mid range UHD TVs are not worth the upgrade from HD, unless of course the remaining SD channels, which amount to about 75% of all channels, change to at least HD very quickly.
 
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Dodgexander

Moderator
Thanks for reply.
By review, I meant for the latest oled which was available. I was expecting Philips to leave it with avforum for a review. The least they could do really
Beside the oled performance, trying to work out if that p5 is worth all the hype

However, you are right, philips could produce the best TV in the universe, it will remain nada/zero if distribution in U.K. Remains that poor. Time will tell.
The review model was actually given away to a member at the event. Philips held the event and AVF were invited, but I guess Phil and Steve will probably have good contacts with Philips to obtain one for review.

The problem with it though is its a 2016 panel, so the other 2017 OLEDs from Panasonic, Sony, LG will have the improved panel type. Bad availability + late release means they will get left behind, even though I do like what Philips are doing with their OLEDs, they need to release them faster. This is poor due to the improvements in 2017 with brighter HDR, better ABL and near blacks.

But if you can find one and pricing is as good as I have seen it may still be a good buy.
 

EndlessWaves

Distinguished Member
I don't think last years 7601 was reviewed here, there have been reviews of last years PUS6501 and PUS7101 but not 7601..in fact very little 7601's made it to the UK as far as I know.
It was reviewed here:
Philips 65PUS7601 UHD 4K TV Review

I think most of the other big UK sites/publications reviewed it too. HDTV Test and What Hi-Fi both reviewed it.

Online availability was pretty good. It's been out of stock occasionally, but definitely available for most of the time and still in stock now:
65PUS7601 | Philips | 65” | Smart | ao.com

It didn't get picked up by many showrooms. I know Harrods had the Ambilux model in the shop but I'm not a Londoner so I don't know if they had the 7601 as well.

I'm surprised the 9002 is the 2016 panel like the 901 though, that seems odd timing.
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
The review model was actually given away to a member at the event. Philips held the event and AVF were invited, but I guess Phil and Steve will probably have good contacts with Philips to obtain one for review.

The problem with it though is its a 2016 panel, so the other 2017 OLEDs from Panasonic, Sony, LG will have the improved panel type. Bad availability + late release means they will get left behind, even though I do like what Philips are doing with their OLEDs, they need to release them faster. This is poor due to the improvements in 2017 with brighter HDR, better ABL and near blacks.

But if you can find one and pricing is as good as I have seen it may still be a good buy.
A 2016 panel in a set released this year? I hope this is a joke. Doesn't make sense since TV can hit the peak brightness related to 2017 panels plus no 3D.

Doesn't matter because à philips oled will
not interest me. Their 8 series fald lcd with quantum dot and p5 may if priced right. this year ifa will be interesting.
 

dollag

Well-known Member
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For me 2017 has been a really disappointing year for tvs.

I feel the TVs have been way overpriced this year with no real improvement in technology Over last years model.
I don't agree at all. @Steve Withers has even stated that the LG OLEDS this years 2017 models have improved (albeit not massively), compared to the 2016 models and even concluded that they have hit a sweet point and would recommend buying one.

On the OLED front, the Sony A1 would be a model i'd shortlist but tbh cannot see a massive price drop compared to LG's models.

I do agree that on the LCD front, there hasn't been any real change and has been disappointing.
 

Goldorak

Distinguished Member
Philips are so far behind it's embarrassing. Unless their new OLED ships now with 2017 panels. Even the LCDs are behind with HDR vs other brands.

Shame because their motion seems amongst the best!
The new oled must have the 2017 panels
If they release a Quantum dot LCD fald with p5 in sept then they may be back in the game (8 series half confirmed)
 

Dodgexander

Moderator
Well, it has been reviewed and tested that it has a 2016 panel. Strange I know as I expected they would have 17 panels too. Another user actually corrected me when I told him I thought it was a 17 panel.

Translate from Dutch: Review: Philips 55POS9002 oled-tv

FALD likely me similar to 7601. Good value tv but not as good as Samsung's KD9500 or Panasonic DX-902. Especially with HDR. The 7601 was also 65" only.
 

desinho

Well-known Member
The only claim to it being a 2016 panel is that is supposedly still has a 3D filter. I think some UK tech review site also (was first to) claimed the Philips has a 2016 'just like the Sony and Panasonic' and that only LG had 2017 panels :rolleyes:.
It was possible to watch 3D on the 901 so if the 9002 still has a 3D filter the same method that worked on the 901 should also work for the 9002.
Iirc it was hooking up a laptop/pc to it and force/play 3D with VLC player ...

edit: this was the article Philips 55POS9002 OLED preview: Stunning flagship TV with P5 processing and Ambilight - Pocket-lint
The engine is the contributory factor for the improvements as the OLED panel used is identical to last year's - LG's 2016 panel. As we've found with other manufacturer's 2017 models though, processing can make all the difference. Even though all of the OLED TVs coming onto the market use that panel, save for LG's own new variants, which use 2017 displays, they have their own characteristics. And enhancements in the way an image is processed can make a distinct difference to picture quality.
The pixel structure for the A1 is exactly the same as the E7, W7, ...
 
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Goldorak

Distinguished Member
Well, it has been reviewed and tested that it has a 2016 panel. Strange I know as I expected they would have 17 panels too. Another user actually corrected me when I told him I thought it was a 17 panel.

Translate from Dutch: Review: Philips 55POS9002 oled-tv

FALD likely me similar to 7601. Good value tv but not as good as Samsung's KD9500 or Panasonic DX-902. Especially with HDR. The 7601 was also 65" only.
If they don't add a 2017 panel, i have no time for their oled
As for the 8 series, I am still intrigued as they may have an interesting beast. Time will tell but an xe90 brother boosted with quantum dot and a p5 chipset could be interesting. Philips tends to beef up its processing and android exoerience much better in general from reviewers...

It is Philips and tp vision reliability I am more worried about.
 

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