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Power Amps or Processors - Which upgrade path?

Discussion in 'AV Pre-Amp/Processors & Power Amps' started by Jase, Sep 13, 2002.

  1. Jase

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    Just out of sheer interest. What do you consider the better upgrade path. Power amps for an existing integrated amp or add another processor and use the existing integrated amplification?

    I´m leaning towards the power amp route personally, decent amps that can really drive the speakers well. Its a bit of a "chicken & egg" question but I´m curious as to what others think.:)

    Pro´s & Con´s if possible please!!
     
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    Jase.
    If my memory serves me correct, you have an upgraded AVC1SE?

    I reckon the signal processing in that unit is pretty cool!, so perhaps a power amplifier would be a good first upgrade.

    I suppose the upgraded AVC1SE has all if not 98% of all current sound formats etc..etc.. (you'll be able to tell me), so you can retain all those little tweakers and be able to power them up with a big metal box of amplification on the side......

    You'll know of all the usual suspects for power amps.
    So with the denon, i would imagine that it will sound rather spiffing!

    Then you can really blow your nest egg on a processor
    As b4, you'll know the usual processor suspects.

    So perhaps if you buy the power amp 1st, you can retain the Denons signal processing whilst injecting some juice into it's plugs.

    Adam.
     
  3. Jase

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    Spot on Adam!:)

    For formats it´s got pretty much everything I´ll ever need and also some that I´ll never use (DTS 96/24! Where´s the software???:p ).

    Actually this thread is sort of Eric´s fault for mentioning a couple of power amps that I originally tried to track down last year but without any luck!

    Bryston was (still is!) at the top of my list but I´ve also started to look at older monoblock amps such as the Denon POA 4400 (found one over here for sale) and the 2 channel Denon POA T2 & T3 (3 channel). All fairly hard to come by though.

    It was also mentioned that adding a Processor such as the TAG would reap benefits over the A1SE processors, but I´m not too sure that will be the case.:confused:
     
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    Jase.
    Yes indeed, the Bryston power amps are excellent.
    I had a demo of one a while back and thought it was great!
    I had set my heart on getting one but found an ex-demo Parasound HCA-2205 for a good price, so i decided to purchase that instead. The Parasound is another quality amp and is built like a truck. I consider it money well spent!..

    Processing wise i suppose it's the flexibility and upgradability of the units that's most appealing.
    For instance, the TAG AV32R has had various upgrades along it's lifespan since it's first footsteps which has negated the need to buy a new model as new sound specs appear...
    Seems that every 5 minutes Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha et al are releasing new models to take into account the changes in the audio spec. I suppose the initial outlay of a good processor can be a little wallet crushing, but by the time you add on all the sundries to the base item, you've probably done yourself a good bit of business.

    Me?...I jumped into the Meridian camp.
    I thought the 568 was fantastic in 2 & multi-channel.

    Adzman.
     
  5. Jase

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    The upgradeability is one of the main issues, definitely. Whilst Denon have already offered a comprehensive upgrade, I doubt that it will happen again. Onkyo are offering upgrades on their flagship amp as well, so hats off to them for that.

    I´m pretty sure I´ll go the power amp route, just getting feedback from those that have done it.:)

    Be interesting to hear what the members who have changed processors instead of going to power amps have to say & what benefits they gained, sound quality wise as against newer formats (mind you, the two go hand in hand to some extent).
     
  6. Nic Rhodes

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    I would go the Tag processor route first and then add amps. Your Denon is good but the Tag will perform / compete at the highest level (MC12 etc). I think you will notice the biggest difference here.
     
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    Here come the 'TAG' crew

    Adzman:)
     
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    Jase,

    I used to have a Yam DSPA2 which I added Rotel amplification to and there was a small but noticeable difference, I then added a TAG AV32R and sold the DSPA2 and noticed a huge difference :D

    You will also benefit from a huge 2 channel increase in performance.

    Good luck!!

    Steve
     
  9. Jase

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    I actually found two TAG processors over here for sale, 1000 & 1200 quid respectively (yes, you read the prices correctly!). Rang up today and both have been sold. Obviously not popular over here or they would have been more expensive.
     
  10. Nic Rhodes

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    yes maybe, but you might be surprized by our new member............:D
     
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    Not really! I met the gentleman (yes I think that's appropriate!) today!! :D
     
  12. Jase

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    ;) I know who it is.:D
     
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    Let me guess - will we be hearing about Gallo's driven by a TAG processor???
     
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    That sounds nice :rolleyes:
     
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    I think i know of the new member Nic:)

    Adzman
     
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    OK I'll bite...... who?

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  17. Jase

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    Power Buys.;)
     
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    What happened to the MC12B:devil:

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    He heard a Tag;)
     
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    And so the TAG army grows :devil:

    Steve
     
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    Steve,
    To my ears (and I've got big ones), the Tag AV32R192-BP with its new DAC's sounds as good if not better than anything I've ever heard including the MC12 and many other exotica on the market. This is the main reason I've gone for the Tag. I also couldn't see the relevence of paying twice as much money for features that are for me redundant. I will never use multi zone for one. I also cannot see the point in paying for 12 channel capability when, after two years there are still only a handfull of 6 channel discrete dvd's out there. I'm not saying the MC12 is overcooked, its a trully superb machine that is arguably the most future proof machine on the planet.
    Having said that, TAG's track record regarding upgrading is beyond reproach and I don't see that philosophy being put by the wayside.
    All in all, I've ordered a machine that in my view sounds as good as anything on the planet, and have money left over for Sainsburys.
    My advice to folks thinking about buying the top of the range Denon or Pioneer reciever and parting with 2.5k is to stop. Take a deep breath, find another £500 pounds and join the TAG club
     
  22. dunkyboy

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    What about the TAG AV30R? How does that compare to the 32?

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    The AV30 is very nice and great value, it is only a short distance off the 32 and better than the receivers IMHO BUT it can't be upgraded to 192 status. 32 does sound better but not by a huge margin. Having said that it is still pretty capable and should see many through many years. Recommended.
     
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    Here i am....all alone.....me & my 568.2

    I'm the official Billy No Mates

    Adzman:)
     
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    Welcome to the club Eric, hope to see you over at the TAG forum too.

    What're the S150's like with the TAG (If you've got it yet) also looks like you could be in for a traet with the new scaler in the AV192R chassis should be better than the Cinematrix :devil:

    Steve
     
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    adzman

    i have owned a meridian 565/562 for a few years now and am looking to replace it - likely candidate - the tag .

    don't get me wrong I love the meridians sound (both movies and music) but having spent a lot of money ( for me!)originally only to find out that meridian then decided not to offer upgrades beyond dts for the 565 has soured my feelings for the brand

    the tags (30/32) both sound good to me and I am seriously considering going with the 30r (7.1 version) when I find someone who can offer me a decent px deal - any suggestions tag owners?
     
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    Hi Steve,
    I've sold my S150's to Jase sometime last month.
    They were replaced (for front three) by MPS 2510P's which are M&K's top of the line powered speaker. These use an incredibly noise free 150 watt internal amp for the two mid-range drivers and another for the three tweeters. The resulting sound (even driven by my Denon) is quite superb.
    I wish I had the room (and money) to replace the surround SS150's and rear S85's with the same speaker. That way, I wouldn't have to bother with any amplification for these channels. I managed to find a reasonable way out until my wallet recovers. A few years ago, Denon sold the A1 processor (now old hat) and with this they did the POAT2 and POAT3 two and three channels respectively. These are good quality pieces of kit which I managed to track down at a price that was easy (ish) to swallow.
    I'll be using these 140 watt RMS amps to power my sides and rears so all in all, things should sound ok.
    Roll on Tuesday (or Wednesday)
     
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    I wouldn't disagree that TAG offer superb upgrade facilities including their trade in scheme for the forthcoming 192 proc.
    That's pretty imaginative!!!...
    I've heard the AV32R demo'd a few times now, possibly more than my chosen Meridian 568(.2). It is indeed a great performer & i wouldn't be sorry to see it in my system. For me, the 568(.2) made more of an impact to me when i heard it. In both 2 channel & multi-channel duties it was fantastic to hear (as was the AV32R)

    I suppose, Meridian decided that the 800 series was going to be the focal point of their thoughts with the newer generation of 500 series (568 / inception of the 598) close on their heels.

    Good luck to all the TAG'ers & the Company.
    I think it's fair to say that both the 568(.2) & the AV32R are superb signal processors.

    I'd like to hear the Arcam unit too.

    Adzman
     
  29. rob@rar.org.uk

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    Just in case you haven't spotted it, the Tag website was updated today with some more info on the AV192R. You need to sign in to the Tag Club Pages part of the website to get the info I think.

    Regards

    Rob

    Another happy member of the Tag Club
     
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    Which one will you go for first Jase?

    Adzman.
     

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