Post Brexit Agriculture

apolloa

Well-known Member
No, hard cold reality of the international commodity markets. They are usually the case of prices being jacked up.



Which involves regulating markets properly, but you'll have free market believers floundering around in a panic screaming "Socialism". The Tories never really regulate markets as that gets in the way of profiteering.



The Apollo astronauts left mirrors on the moon, you can point lasers up at them and calculate how far the Moon is from the Earth. Conspiracy theories about the Apollo Landings fall flat once you apply the laws of physics to the claims and point a telescope up at the lunar landing sites or you know NASA has a probe mapping out the moon - LRO Mission Overview
We do have the technological means to send people to Mars for example, but it would likely be a one way trip.

NASA and others are working on the problems with sending people off into the solar system. The biggest problem is radiation and Cosmic Rays, plus atrophy of muscles etc. It looks like China and the US are in a race to get people onto the moon. The Moon is an ideal place to build and launch space craft from, as you only have to escape the Earth's gravity and travel to the moon. You can also conduct long term studies of how humans react to living on the moon for long periods of time.



If there is life in other parts of the solar system it's likely to be of the bacterial kind. Secondly we have plenty of Asteroids to mine once the technology is perfected. It's unlikely we'll be mining the gas giants. And until we develop a technology to travel near the speed of light, we won't be wrecking any planets in distant solar systems any time soon.

The upside to asteroid mining is that it would likely mean China's grip on precious metals and other resources would melt away.
You never answered my question, what right do humans have to go and ruin other planets when we are doing a damn fine job of ruining Earth? But instead you've attempted to make a business case to go and ruin other planets. Mining asteroids? Hahaha in who's lifetime is that then? If we get to Mars it won't be long till corporations mine it, its in the works already with space travel open to private business now. Profit will come first before ALL else, always has and always will.. hence we will ruin planets.
 

apolloa

Well-known Member
And that planet won't care either...

You are anthropomorphising rock.

Then there is the sheer sense of scale of the universe that needs taking into account.

More stars 'than grains of sand'

"There are 10 times more stars in the night sky than grains of sand in the world's deserts and beaches, scientists say.

Astronomers have worked out that there are 70 thousand million million million - or seven followed by 22 zeros - stars visible from the Earth through telescopes. The total is said to be the most accurate estimate yet of the number of stars."

So bear in mind how much sand there is on earth. Next time you are at the beach mess up one grain. Do the other grains care?

You still have ten times that amount to consider.

We will never get to other solar systems either. This isn't because our technology isn't good enough yet. We'd be up against the laws of physics.

There is a "nearby star" which has at least three earth-sized planets in the habitable zone of that star. That "nearby star" is 40 light-years from earth, That's only about 23,500,000,000,000,000 miles from earth. 24.7 million times the distance from the earth to the sun.

This guy explains some of the scale involved.

So your trying to predict the future? And claiming man will NEVER leave Earth? Ok....
 

Sonic67

Distinguished Member
So your trying to predict the future? And claiming man will NEVER leave Earth? Ok....
Noooo. I'm claiming we won't leave the solar system. We've already left Earth.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
You never answered my question, what right do humans have to go and ruin other planets when we are doing a damn fine job of ruining Earth? But instead you've attempted to make a business case to go and ruin other planets. Mining asteroids? Hahaha in who's lifetime is that then? If we get to Mars it won't be long till corporations mine it, its in the works already with space travel open to private business now. Profit will come first before ALL else, always has and always will.. hence we will ruin planets.
Does anyone else need them? :D

The Martians obviously ruined theirs so why not use it now they are extinct?.

;)
 

apolloa

Well-known Member
Does anyone else need them? :D

The Martians obviously ruined theirs so why not use it now they are extinct?.

;)
Your giant iron feet would squash them all!!

Noooo. I'm claiming we won't leave the solar system. We'vye already left Earth.
You confused me but that makes sense.
 

fluxo

Distinguished Member
You never answered my question, what right do humans have to go and ruin other planets when we are doing a damn fine job of ruining Earth?
Supernovae can ruin planets without the intervention of people. Dastardly stars! What right do they have to do this?
 

Greg Hook

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BobbyMac

Banned
What a load of rubbish.
I'm a remainer, but to say that no food will be exported if there is a no deal is just pure nonsense that Gove is using to try to persuade all the MPs to go for May's rubbish deal.
TBF he said might or could, not that it would
 

BobbyMac

Banned
Yes, but that's the same thing in a statement like this.
This link gives more meat on the bones (if you'll pardon the pun) of his POV

A no-deal Brexit would seriously harm the UK’s farmers, Michael Gove has admitted.

The Environment Secretary told the National Farmer’s Union (NFU) conference that there was “no absolute guarantee” that British farmers could export any of their produce to the EU in a no-deal scenario, and would face punishing tariffs even if they could.


Mr Gove also dismissed speculation that the UK Government could slash tariffs on food imports after Brexit, an idea hinted at by International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.


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The suggestion had angered food producers, who warned they would be forced out of business by a flood of cheap imports.


“It will not be the case that we will have zero rate tariffs on food products, there will be protection for agriculture and food,” Mr Gove said.

The Environment Secretary said that with six weeks to go until Brexit, the UK had not been formally designated by the EU as a ‘third country’.

Health and safety audits required by Brussels before that can happen could take up to six months, effectively locking British producers out of their biggest market under a no-deal Brexit.

“The EU still have not listed the UK as a full third country,” Mr Gove said. “As I speak there is no absolute guarantee we will continue to be able to export to the EU.”



A no deal scenario would result in delays at Channel ports because fresh food and animal products will all be subject to checks, he confirmed.

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And in a warning that the food sector may never fully recover from no-deal even if a trade agreement was struck in future, Mr Gove added that “it will be difficult to reestablish that market access even if tariffs reduced in the future.”

Meanwhile, the business secretary Greg Clark has told the Make UK manufacturers' conference that the risks from no deal Brexit are "unacceptable" and "need to be brought to a conclusion and without further delay".

It was reported that Mr Clark and three fellow cabinet ministers including Scottish Secretary David Mundell have told the Prime Minister that she faces a wave of resignations unless a no-deal Brexit is ruled out by the end of February.
Brexit: Michael Gove admits farmers may never recover from no-deal
 
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