Political Non-entities (particularly front benchers)

Mesostim

Well-known Member
Comments made a number of years ago are still perfectly acceptable to be used in the present as we know from what happened to Labour's last leader. Or do the rules differ depending?
 

iwb100

Distinguished Member
Comments made a number of years ago are still perfectly acceptable to be used in the present as we know from what happened to Labour's last leader. Or do the rules differ depending?
And the comments were perfectly reasonable in the context with which they were made. If there was a guaranteed job scheme and people turn down work there is no justification for them to receive unemployment benefits.
 

tapzilla2k

Distinguished Member
And yet there have been several reports that she is the front bencher Tories in the current government fear the most…..

It's what happens when you have somebody whose qualified for the role, and who can demolish the Chancellors spin and slights of hand.


Comments made a number of years ago are still perfectly acceptable to be used in the present as we know from what happened to Labour's last leader. Or do the rules differ depending?

It depends if her views have changed or not. Context is everything, especially in politics. The thing to look at will be Labour's benefit policies towards the next election. You can pick a comment any politician has made and turn it into something it's not if you refuse to frame it within it's context and where the politician is in the present. Remember Politicians tend to parrot themselves if they think a soundbite is popular with the public at the time.

Though it has to be remembered that about a decade ago was the height of the right wing press and tv shows orgy of poverty porn that used a minority to demonise the majority on benefits. Being on benefits is not the life of riley some tend to think it is. Navigating the DWP and Job Centre is a full time job in and of itself. For a party (Tories) that abhors red tape, there is tons of it at the DWP.
 

LakieLady

Distinguished Member
If we ignore that this was 8, yes eight years ago and in a very different climate.

What she actually was saying that people who turn down solid employment offers wouldn’t be able to stay on job seeking benefits. And this was in conjunction with a government backed guaranteed jobs scheme Labour were piloting.

But of course in identity politics world that doesn’t matter. It’s just the fact that she merely uttered words to suggest Labour were courting the votes of working people…

But they can't turn down job offers now, without a very good reason. They get their benefits sanctioned if they do.

And I believe there's a Labour proposals for the benefit cap to vary between regions, to reflect the variations in housing costs.
 

mossy2103

Distinguished Member
Back to the thread topic - one of the biggest political non-emtities has to be Nadine Dorries. A total lack of ability regardless of brief. No original thoughts or policies, and she is no orator. Quite how she manages to open a door is beyond me
 

iwb100

Distinguished Member
But they can't turn down job offers now, without a very good reason. They get their benefits sanctioned if they do.

And I believe there's a Labour proposals for the benefit cap to vary between regions, to reflect the variations in housing costs.
Well indeed but this was nearly ten years ago….
 

scarty16

Well-known Member
Back to the thread topic - one of the biggest political non-emtities has to be Nadine Dorries. A total lack of ability regardless of brief. No original thoughts or policies, and she is no orator. Quite how she manages to open a door is beyond me
just read her wikipedia page, mixing christianity and politics is never good.

I have heard of her, but wouldn't recognise her from Adam.

Although I do like this tweet from her

Dorries tweeted: "Be seen within a mile of my daughters and I will nail your balls to the floor… using your own front teeth. Do you get that?

You can take the girl out of Liverpool.....
 

Judge Mental

Well-known Member
just read her wikipedia page, mixing christianity and politics is never good.

I have heard of her, but wouldn't recognise her from Adam.

Although I do like this tweet from her

Dorries tweeted: "Be seen within a mile of my daughters and I will nail your balls to the floor… using your own front teeth. Do you get that?

You can take the girl out of Liverpool.....
She’s an intelligence-free zone promoted far beyond her competence as a result of her unflinching loyalty to Johnson, who in all likelihood despises her because of her background. She’s just another useful (useless) idiot.
 

Metromedia 1433

Well-known Member
Not having a pop at Rachel Reeves per se, but:

1) she's married to Gordon Brown's old speechwriter
2) her sister is also a Labour MP
3) her sister's husband is also a Labour MP
4) she's yet another one who studied PPE.

Our political class is woeful.
A difference is that her sister is an MP for their home patch in south east London. Rachel has a seat in Leeds, probably as a career decision.
 

Metromedia 1433

Well-known Member
Most of the LibDems are non-entities. They even passed up electing a relatively high-profile new MP Layla Moran as leader. At least with Ed Davey (who????) they do not look like they have entered a new post-coalition chapter yet. :(
 

Boo Radley75

Distinguished Member
The big mystery, for me, was how Chris Grayling keeps getting cabinet jobs. It takes a special kind of skill to fail so spectacularly at every job he gets. A guy so incompetent that last time Boris tried to push him for a job, he somehow managed to lose a rigged election.
 

breadandcircuses

Distinguished Member
Not having a pop at Rachel Reeves per se, but:

1) she's married to Gordon Brown's old speechwriter
2) her sister is also a Labour MP
3) her sister's husband is also a Labour MP
4) she's yet another one who studied PPE.

Our political class is woeful.
What's your point?
 

breadandcircuses

Distinguished Member
The big mystery, for me, was how Chris Grayling keeps getting cabinet jobs. It takes a special kind of skill to fail so spectacularly at every job he gets. A guy so incompetent that last time Boris tried to push him for a job, he somehow managed to lose a rigged election.
Useful idiot.
 

krish

Distinguished Member
Which is more that can be said for, say, Nadine Dorries or Gavin Williamson.
That's Sir Gavin Williamson!


Most of the Johnson govt have been non-entity yes men and women. I mean look at these grade A useless lying motherfudgeers ...

Raaaaaab
Buckland
Coffey
Truss
Williamson
Villiers
Jenrick
Sharma
Dowden
McVey
Kwarteng
Badenoch
Mogg
Dorries
Braverman
 

breadandcircuses

Distinguished Member
Indicative of a political class that is often selected from too small a gene pool.
Is it any different to other professions where members of the family follow that career? Actors spring to mind. If you are immersed in a certain world, and your interests lie in that occupation, what's the problem? Obviously I am not talking about people getting jobs just because of who they are, as that is not right. However, Reeves and the others in her family have been elected in, and/or have the credentials to be doing their jobs. Your argument seems a tad nitpicky.
 

MartinP1

Well-known Member
That's Sir Gavin Williamson!


Most of the Johnson govt have been non-entity yes men and women. I mean look at these grade A useless lying motherfudgeers ...

Raaaaaab
Buckland
Coffey
Truss
Williamson
Villiers
Jenrick
Sharma
Dowden
McVey
Kwarteng
Badenoch
Mogg
Dorries
Braverman
Nuance is lost on you in your anger and vulgarity which is unbecoming of a middle aged man.

Glad to see you're a fan of Pritti Patel, Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak though. Any reason why they are not on your list?
 

Derek S-H

Distinguished Member
Nuance is lost on you in your anger and vulgarity which is unbecoming of a middle aged man.

Glad to see you're a fan of Pritti Patel, Sajid Javid and Rishi Sunak though. Any reason why they are not on your list?
I think Krish probably needed to lie down and rest his eyes after having to type that list of absolute horrors, anybody would.
 

MartinP1

Well-known Member
I think Krish probably needed to lie down and rest his eyes after having to type that list of absolute horrors, anybody would.
Maybe he will comment on the Labour shadow cabinet tomorrow. However he is still vulgar and I agree a lie down may help.
 

weaviemx5

Distinguished Member
Yet inexplicably avoided 3 prominent cabinet members.
Would you have still thought him dramatically "vulgar" if he'd gone for the full house?

Is there also any reason why you haven't accused the OP of being vulgar or "lazy and predictable"? After all, this is a thread started by a Conservative supporter, specifically about a "non-entity" who is conveniently a Labour front bench MP. Selective outrage?
 

richp007

Distinguished Member
Would you have still thought him dramatically "vulgar" if he'd gone for the full house?

Is there also any reason why you haven't accused the OP of being vulgar or "lazy and predictable"? After all, this is a thread started by a Conservative supporter, specifically about a "non-entity" who is conveniently a Labour front bench MP. Selective outrage?

This thread has cracked me up to be honest. The OP doesn't seem to know who anyone is, now someone is being criticised for not mentioning enough names.
 

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