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PMC DB1 5.1 system - Arcam AVR 200 or 300?

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by kapikog, Jan 26, 2005.

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    Would anyone now weather there is any discernable benefit to driving these speakers with an Arcam AVR 300 vs. the lowered powered 250??

    I am aware of the general benefits of increased wattage for a given class of amp, etc. However, I am unsure if the DB1s could use the extra power...

    Thanks
     
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    Easy one this, choose the AVR300, PMC's in general need decent power delivery, you can never have enough power :D :devil:
     
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    thanks :)
     
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    I'd agree with the first part (i.e the AVR300) but not that PMCs need decent power delivery compared to other speakers. The DB1s are INCREDIBLY efficient....
     
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    I meant that a decent speaker needs decent amplification to do it justice, the better the power fed into it, the better the overall result :D

    Didn't mean to say PMC were inefficient :), but more to give the PMC's the amplification they deserve :)
     
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    Sorry I mis-read what you'd typed...you are certainly right on power is essential:)
     
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    Do either of you know if PMC is actually selling the DB1+ upgrade kits to the end customer. In North America there are conflicting stories, with the majority of dealers I have contacted stating that the kits need to be dealer installed :thumbsdow

    Thanks again
     
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    From what I gather you can purchase these upgrade kits, but unless they are fitted by an approved installer they will invalidate your warranty.

    The cost is circa 200 quid, but I thought you could only purchase them as '+' models now.

    I have spoken with where I purchased my kit from and they said if I wanted to upgrade my DB1's to +'s then I would be better going for the TB1+'s instead.

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    Thanks Wannabe. After a great deal of hassle, I was finally able to purchase the 3 kits I needed for my 5.1 DB1 system. I ended up ordering them from PMC's distributor in Canada - Bryston. The sales manager even honored a small discount (for the hassle :thumbsup: ) from the original pricing he provided me with - which he had rescinded at one point, claiming that it was dealer cost :confused:

    It worked out to less than if I would have bought them for in the UK :) I have been told by both Miles Roberts (PMC UK) and the sales rep. at Bryston, that the install is relatively painless (i.e. no soldering, filing or cutting :nono: ).

    Now, I'll just have to wait and see when they arrive, if the install is as simple as has been stated, and most importantly, if the off-axis performance is improved as advertised.
     
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    Just remember that these take a long time (in speaker sense) to run in. Circa 100 hours before they start to sound towards their best.

    PMC are known for not discounting their stuff, but deals can be had if you try with the right people.

    You will not be upset.

    What cable are you looking at using to wire them up?

    Fish
     
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    Just out of curiosity, do people toe in their PMCs?
     
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    Not sure what you mean?

    Fish
     
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    'toe in' means angling in the speakers to your listening position. Experimentation is needed as to how much though as some speakers sound best firing straight forward, some sound best crossing over (if there were imaginary lines coming out from the centre of each speaker cone) in front of your listening position, some at the listening position and some behind the listening position!
     
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    rOAdeh, thanks. I will give it a try over the weekend and let you know what I find.

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    Thanks much for your feedback. Regarding the off-axis performance I had mentioned, it is actually about the horizontal axis that it is most noticeable, as oppose to the toe-in idea which, as I understand it would effect the vetical axis performance.

    With my current positioning (front satelites about 0.5-1' too high) it actually feels like I'm drowning :eek: The system actually sounds better when I stand up. I have the TLE1 sub in the same vertical plane as the front & centre speakers, although it is on the floor, adjusted to 0° phase.
     
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    kapikog,

    I did not know you could upgrade the db1's to db1+'s. I am in canda/toronto as well and would maybe like to upgrade mine as well... can you tell me how much did it cost you per pair and what did the kit included?

    also what kind of sonic differenced did you find post upgrade?

    thanx
     
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    Radio, just so you're aware this thread is over three years old and the guy you're asking a question of hasn't visited the forum since October 2005.....
     
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    hah. thanx mate... i will contact the dealer instead.


    cheers.
     

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