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Plus Piano DLP

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by godi32, Sep 17, 2001.

  1. godi32

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    Hello guys,

    There would be a new home cinema DLP projector on the market soon called the Plus Piano. Does anybody know more about this projector? I wanted to buy the PLV-30 but now I'm hesitating. Should I wait and check out the Plus? This is the website: <a href="http://piano.plus-vision.com/en/index.htm" target="_blank">http://piano.plus-vision.com/en/index.htm</a>

    Thanks,

    Dirk
     
  2. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    The little plus device interests me also. I intend to try and find a distributor and have a look at it myself.

    Once I've seen it I'll comment

    Gordon
     
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    I had a look at this beasty.<br />Bit it of a me to box.

    It uses the old 800x600 4x3 pannel.

    They have a strange way of quoting their specifications.

    "450 ANSI lumens (normally white)" I'd like to know which other colour they would use. It's not very bright either.

    Scanning Frequency. Good to see a digital device still keeping us analogue ludites alive. (DLP projectors don't scan by the way)

    Only RGB input is DVI. So forget using a scaller

    No mention of progressive scan cabability.<br />I presume "aspect" means it can do 16x9 but it is not clear.

    This coment summed up the projector for me from their brochure.<br />"For example, after the whole family has watched a movie in the living room, the children can use the projector for video games in their rooms."

    Well at least we now have an idea of where they think there market is. Any one else want to let their children take the projector to their rooms to play with.

    I haven't seen it yet but please. Let's just hope that it's cheap.

    [ 17-09-2001: Message edited by: B4 ]</p>
     
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    Roland,

    My spy I sent to CEDIA came back and reported this.<br />" The best picture I've seen was from a Sony G90 set up by William Phelps at Faroudja booth. It was possibly the best picture I've ever seen when it was showing Hi-Def de-interlaced to 1080P. With DVD it was pretty good but nothing special.

    The most amazing picture was with a DLP by a company called PLUS. They had a unit which was using a three segment colour wheel on an 800 x 600 panel. The wheel was a quadruple speed device and I couldn't see any rainbowing. The colours were not what I was expecting from DLP. It wasn't a fantastic picture but it was a fantastic picture for $3000.........."

    <br />So as all these devices are compromised somehow I guess we can assume that if you have £2000 ish to spend it might be worth checking out. You've said it yourself so many times.....Specs mean nothing!

    Gordon
     
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    ...and here's some comparing it with the PLV-30 (called the A7 in asia i believe)

    <a href="http://www.mmjp.or.jp/ippinkan/piano/piano_vs/A7_piano.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mmjp.or.jp/ippinkan/piano/piano_vs/A7_piano.htm</a>

    Also projector central review here:<br /><a href="http://www.projectorcentral.com/consultants_corner.cfm?ci=plus_piano" target="_blank">http://www.projectorcentral.com/consultants_corner.cfm?ci=plus_piano</a>

    I emailed plus eruope about this and they passed me over to the uk distributor who said they were expecting units in 5 weeks time
     
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    I think it's hard to say it's a HT200DM on the cheap. It doesn't use the full 848 pixel width does it? Does it have a six segment colour wheel

    <br />Gordon
     
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    Gordon, Yes and yes.

    <a href="http://piano.plus-vision.com/en/index.htm" target="_blank">http://piano.plus-vision.com/en/index.htm</a>

    Jeff
     
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  9. Jeff

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    Yes, you could use the Radeon VE, Radeon AIW or even better the new 8500. Some Nvidia cards also have DVI out. The only real problem is cable lengh, DVI cables only go to 5M.

    Jeff
     
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    Well I know nothing about PJ's, but going by those pictures only I'd say the Sharp wins hands down!

    Could be wrong, but thats what my eyes tell me!
     
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    Yes the Sharp wins by some margin judgeing the size of the pics, but did you see the plv30 comparison, that is night and day.

    Prices<br />PLV30 £1750?<br />Plus Piano £2000-£2500?<br />Sharp XV-9000E £6000-7500?

    The Plus looks very good value to me.

    Jeff
     
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    Go to <a href="http://www.avsforum.com" target="_blank">www.avsforum.com</a> and type plus piano into the search engine (dlp, dila and lcd projectors) and you will find a lot of info. 1 guy who saw it at cedia reckoned in comparison to the 200dm it is sharper but the colours are not quite as good. I think sim2 must be quite worried about this projector ( and the new Sharp 9000 ).Interesting they have just dropped the price in the U.S. for the cinema grand line.
     
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    Hello,

    I have received 2 pdf files (in German) about the Plus Piano. If someone is interested I will gladly send them to you.

    Dirk
     
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    Jeff, I can't believe what I've just read...<br />[QUOTE} The Piano is basically a cheap HT200DM,

    No, no, no. <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> Apart from the Dual Mode chip by TI, these two products are worlds apart.

    The Piano specs make no mention of features found on the Sim2 DLP range such as the Colour Corrected colour wheel, Sealed Optical Light Path, the high quality Fujinon lens resulting in 95% white field uniformity, Optical and Digital Keystone Correction, multiple aspect ratios with three user memory banks.

    For goodness sake, the Plus doesn’t have a zoom lens. If you want bigger pictures you need to move the projector! There’s no Keystone either, and the lamp life is 1000 hours, whereas the Sim2 is 6000 hrs.

    A Lada is not a Ferrari simply because it has 4 wheels and an engine. Imagine how upset you would be if I cobbled together a PC and called it a Crighton. Please!

    The Plus might be a great projector for the money, but a comparison to a Sim2 HT200DM is stretching it a bit. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

    Regards
     
  17. Jeff

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    The Piano is basically a cheap HT200DM, if I remember correctly it doesn't have is progressive scan input but it does have onboard sage deinterlaceing. The projector will be available in Europe (Germany first) from the 1st October and should cost about 3500 euros.

    Here are some comparison screen shots with the Sharp XV-z9000.

    <a href="http://www.mmjp.or.jp/ippinkan/xv_z9000/newpage9000.htm" target="_blank">http://www.mmjp.or.jp/ippinkan/xv_z9000/newpage9000.htm</a>
     
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    Chris,

    We all know the Selecos are nice, but a zoom lens ain't worth £3000 <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> Of cause the Piano has keystone correction, it also has a built-in deinterlacer, gamma control, DVI input and is reported to be less noisy than the Selecos. It comes in a range of lovely colours <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> (I wonder where they got that idea). Plus have done a lot of work on colormetry which is still probably not as good as the Selecos but better than most other DLPs. In the end it comes down to picture quality and price and while Seleco may have won the PQ battle, ultimately it is an danger of loosing the war. If Seleco dropped the price of the DM to £1000 above the Piano I would probably buy one, but at the current price differencial you could get a Tag processor and Rotel power amp!

    Jeff
     
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    Chris,<br /> I'm not trying to be smart or anything because I know you are a decent bloke, have you seen a Plus Piano yet? Just wondered what you thought.<br /> Ta
     
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    I think im with Chris on this one. I researched the plus alot before i splashed out....the lack of zoom is a real bugger and the keystone is only digital if i recall so it distorts the image or something (at least thats what someone on avs said!)

    If i had the extra money i would go for the sim, the products just cant be compared.....i havent even seen the dm model either!

    Ad
     
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    meva, I'm looking forward to seeing a Piano, I hope it is as good as it promises.

    Jeff, Ofcourse I don't think the zoom lens is worth £3k - but we both know that this isn't the only difference between the Sim2 and Piano DLPs.

    Regards
     
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    Kryton wants a CRT, but I haven't decided. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">
     
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    and if any of you can speak German here is a full blown review (in pdf)

    <a href="http://www.grobi-die-grossbildspezialisten.de/downloads/pianotest10-09-01.pdf" target="_blank">www.grobi-die-grossbildspezialisten.de/downloads/pianotest10-09-01.pdf</a>

    taken from:<br /><a href="http://www.grobi.tv" target="_blank">http://www.grobi.tv</a>
     
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    I am VERY interested in this projector, though disappointed at the lack of progressive scan input (for my Denon DVD-2800).

    I would love to see the user manual for the Piano. Has anyone seen one or know where to download a .pdf?

    The UK distributors are completely useless. I've spoken to them 3 times and they do not even know of the existence of the projector. They have promised each time to phone me back, without any results.

    The German reports hint that maybe Plus are planning to bypass dealers with this one, and try and deal direct with customers. Not a problem for me if it means the projector is cheaper, but I still wouldn't buy one without having the chance to see one first.

    Regards,<br />Ian Guinan
     
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    I've read part of the review mentioned (at least what I could with my rusty German) and there is a very disturbing piece of information.

    Apparently, there are five display modes (4:3, 16:9 LB, 16:9, "Real" and "Through"), and the image width changes with mode and when switching from NTSC to PAL. This can be a nuisance with a projector with no zoom.

    Besides, the aspect ratios were funny (16:9 LB gave an image which is 151x97 cm).
     

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