please say it isnt so (nvidia not releasing volta on general release)

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  1. MikeKay1976

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    my mate just emailed me, apparently in his custom PC magazine they are saying

    NVIDIA are skipping the Volta release that was originally scheduled for early 2018. Instead they're going to announce a slightly souped up Pascal around April time.

    They have no competition from AMD who are not planning to release any new GPUs *at all* in 2018. So Nvidia have the luxury of being able to sit on they're hands from now until 2019 at least.

    is there anyone else reporting this or is it just custom PC scaremongering?

    (i have not read article myself and googlefu came up empty)
     
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    Nvidia doing an Intel. If they do that I will not buy any new nvidia gpu unless their prices are low.
     
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    Volta is a bit of an odd release from a gaming perspective because while it improves IPC a little on normal instructions most of the advances it brings are in machine learning applications with its TensorCores. Currently there is no way to use those for gaming so rolling TensorCores out to gamers is a waste of die space. They have added FP16 which could bring some benefit if games are written to support it but that isn't going to bring anything on release and Nvidia has a tendency to want to split its business features away from its gaming cards and FP16 would make those cards a lot better for certain business applications.

    So going from Pascal and applying the Volta optimisations to the cores and optimising and making larger that architecture combined with more memory bandwidth is probably the right approach to making a faster gaming card than trying to go from what is not really suitable for a gaming design.
     
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    Where is the source of this info if you dont mind me asking?
     
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    Volta (microarchitecture) - Wikipedia

    Contains a bunch of details on tensorcores, half precision performance as well as some links for references and such.
     
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    Some uncorroborated rumours have being doing the rounds that the next consumer card will be Ampere-based. Not that I really care what architecture they go with, as long as nVidia bring out something in the next 12 months that offers considerably more power than a 1080Ti. If they bring out a 1180/2080 and it's only 5 or 10% better than a 1080Ti....meh, I'll wait for the next Ti before ditching my existing 1080's.
     
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    Half precision performance is for machine learning and artificial intelligence not graphics.
     
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    Perhaps a good mining card so then the rest of us can get a normal priced GPU :)
     
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    Wouldn't it be nice if they had a cheaper gaming variant which was crippled for mining but only £300 for the Ti variant and then the exact same thing but mining mode engaged for £3000, at least then mining would be useful to subsidise the rest of the market rather than just killing it.
     
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    people would just stop buying gpu's and buy asic miners instead. there goes any subsidising.

    if anything gamer's are ruining the mining market. i mean if you just went an bought a console instead for gaming on we could get cheap cards for mining with.
     
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    You can't just cripple a chip that way, it comes down to architecture.
     
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    No, but you can cripple the driver. Nvidia are already doing this to stop consumer cards being used in data centres. Of course they exempt mining, no surprises there.:rolleyes:
     
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    if nvidia did that. all the miners would flock to AMD instead. so they would be helping their competitors out. so that is never going to happen.
     
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    Graphics cards aren't just graphics anymore. They have become a whole different computing architecture for vector and matrix calculations in parallel. Games depend on the same instructions and capabilities that mining does. Cripple one and you cripple the other. Nvidia's lockdown of server hardware is based on licenses rather than actual hardware or software capabilities.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    got some more good and bad news for gamers.

    apparently bitmain have made an asic miner for ethereum. the main thing AMD cards are good at.

    so if true and it launches soon. it's scheduled for release within the next 6 months. lots of cheap AMD cards hitting the market. then miners buying up nvidia cards for other coins/algorithms.

    so a bigger shortage of nvidia cards on the horizon.
     
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    A game of spot the bitcoin miners wouldn’t be much fun, just too easy.

    Also an FYI since you guys are too wrapped up in trying to make easy money, neither AMD or Nvidia are profiting from the insane price hikes on cards. They are still selling them for RRP on their own sites, it’s the retailers pocketing the extra like good for nothing Ebay scalpers.

    Now the thing about that is when a company isn’t getting their normal cut from something you can be assured they will find a way to get that extra $$$ and whether that is more price hikes across the board or different cards like their pro line vs. gaming, we shall see.

    It makes far more sense just to support mining on either the pro cards or a new stripped down lower power alternative and charge miners more since like businesses they happily pay 1000’s and then cripple all mining platforms in the consumer drivers. Now obviously miners would find a way to work around that eventually but removing an easy setup option would push more people to just pay more not to bother, have support and more money for AMD/Nvidia in the process.

    Anyway the talk was Ampere being the general release card but now also Turing naming has popped up but both pointing to next month as being the reveal.
     

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