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PLEASE HELP!!! Home Cinema quandry

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by cinema stu, Dec 10, 2004.

  1. cinema stu

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    Hi there AV forumites (I hope it is ok to post this thread in this forum as well as in 'All In One' - I thought the people in this forum would have a thing or two to say about the amplifier + speakers + sub etc route as opposed to All In One),

    Can I firstly say thanks to AV forums for existing in the first place - this is my first post after almost a month of intensive research and the views, opinions and advice relayed on this forum are brilliant... where would us newbees be without words of wisdom from those more experienced in matters of audio/visual... up the creek and without great home cinema systems I can safely say!

    I am in a dilemma and thought I should seek out the advice of my fellow AV forum regulars.

    I have just purchased a new JVC HV28P37S television from Allders for 359 pounds - not the most fandangled TV around but a good step up from the dinged up Hitachi TV we're currently using and probably the best for that sort of money.

    My situation is that I want the best home cinema package my budget can afford and I want it to predominantly watch DVD movies like LOTR etc etc - I've got a budget of about 6-800 pounds give or take - for everything so 360 is already gone on the TV - leaving about 400 for the rest although I'd obviously love to keep it as affordable as possible.

    Now this is the tough decision I've got to make (keeping in note I already own a good JVC progressive scan multiregion DVD player):

    1. Go out and buy the Denon DHT-500SD for 400-odd pounds and bob's your uncle - speakers, nw dvd player, sub, eveything all in one.

    2. Take the advice of the guy at my local HiFi store and snap up a 'bargain' MARANTZ SR5000SE surround amplifier for 150 pounds (down from 500 as it says on the tag - obviously the machine is a year or two old) and add to that a set of Tannoy FX 5.1 speakers for 150-200 pounds depending on whether I buy through him or via the internet.

    All in all I'm still going to spend about the same amount of money but the guy at the HiFi store said 'hand on my heart the amplifier with separate speakers set will crap all over the Denon - guaranteed'.

    I'm much more likely to trust the views of people on this forum than him so PLEASE PLEASE help me will a few words of advice and your opinion.

    Feel free to suggest alternatives if you can see any obvious ones.

    thanks in advance
    cinema stu
     
  2. lynx

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    I take it you mean the Marantz SR 5400 OSE amp. If its £150 is a total bargain and you should rip there hand off!!! Matched with the tannoys it should blow the denon into the weeds and when you want to upgrade you just get a better set off spekaers and dont have to sell the whole unit:smashin:
     
  4. cinema stu

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    Unfortunately it is not a Marantz SR 5400 OSE amp as much as I would like it to be.

    Was just in the process of explaining my situation a bit better and thought I'd better research the machine futher on-line and I've just discovered this IS the Marantz SR5000 but so much for being a 'recently' superseded model - it was in fact brought out in 2000 - a good 4 years ago!

    I hope it's ok to post this link here - it's a page showing a review in Home Entertainment magazine from April 2000... the machine was going for £500 back then.
    http://www.hifiklubi.ee/img/test/sr5000.jpg

    Anyway, forget about whether the guy in the HiFi store was trying to pull a swift one on me or not, this machine for £150 along with a set of the Tannoy speakers STILL seems like a pretty good deal and probably better than going along the Denon 550 route?? Would you agree.

    The guy in the store said the only thing missing from newer machines is Prologic which he said I didn't really need - especially in my situaton where I don't have cable/satellite TV input and only really want the awesome sound for DVD movies! Is this right?

    He said something along the lines of - the warehouse uncovered a whole bunch of these machines sitting in their original boxes that were left there and they said he was able to sell them for £150 instead of the original price of £500.... (now obvious why seeing as though they are an 'old' model even if still brand new).

    It looks like an awesome amplifier and of course Marantz has a brilliant name so should I still go for it despite the fact I'm buying a year-2000 model???

    Maybe I should fork out an EXTRA £100-150 and get the Marantz SR-5400 you thought I was looking at... coupled with £150 (on-line) for the Tannoy speakers and i'm still close to if not a little over the £400-mark that my budget can stretch to (and around the same price as the Denon all-in-one).

    I'm really sorry for the long confusing reply/post but all the different options and things to learn are really doing my head in... I do want to learn though.

    Wondering if the older Marantz system is still better value than the SR5400 (£500 down to £150 for the SR5000 compared to £250-£300 for the SR5400 although it says 'out of stock' at Peter Tyson electricals for £250 so god knows how I will actually be able to find it for).

    Thanks for any help you can give.
     
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    The Yamaha AV pack looks damn impressive - Stg150 for the receiver and Stg96 for the speakers separately but only Stg180 together!!!... really appreciate the advice, will definitely take it on board and give it serious consideration...

    love to think I could have a kick !#@$ system in place by Friday when our TV gets delivered... very exciting... and all for only Stg180 when I thought I would find it impossible to spend under Stg350-400 to complete the system.

    reckon this would still knock the pants of the Denon 550 even though it already does in terms of price... guess so considering I'm not paying for the DVD player.

    the other point is I'm a relative novice so will probably be blown off my feet by whatever I end up getting but at least I know I'm being led in the right direction by all the good and honest people on this forum... :clap:
     
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    Just get a RGB only scart cable (plenty float arround the forum and ebay) and a digital coax cable from these forums by a guy called Mark Grant (in the cable power buys section). He sells superb quality cables for :beer: money and then look to upgrading the standard connectors if it uses normal analogue calbes to improve the sound.

    What ever you buy I hope it gives you many years of pleasure and welcome to the newest way to burn all your money:devil:
     
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    I recently heard the Denon all in one you mentioned above. Great All In One system, and one you can upgrade later.

    Was very impressed with it. This also has the added bonus of upgradability, you can hook an av amp to it later if you wish, and an active subwoofer.

    The AV 50 pack linked to above is also a great buy!!
     
  9. cinema stu

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    thanks a lot guys...

    reckon the Yamaha AV combo is the way to go... good to start with something moderate and look to go the whole hog with top of the range equiptment in another year or two or three. :hiya:
     
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    Dfour and Kazman,

    again...thanks loads for the advice.

    Have just ordered the Yamaha AV50 pack from Unbeatable and am well pleased with the price...

    I know it's not going to be as kick !@#e as buying the better Denon or Yamaha separate amp and the Tannoy speakers but at least it's something to start with and should still sound awesome...

    am a very happy man also to have only outlayed Stg180 as opposed to the Stg400 for the Denon All-in-One that I really shouldn't be buying considering the small matter of having to pay for my wedding next February.

    What I've bought also gives me room to improve by upgrading the speakers in the future...

    here's to my fiancee and I being blown away when we get this all hooked up and go ahead with our Lord of the Rings marathon - we have all three extended edition DVDs brand new in shrink wrap ready to open and watch at once.
     
  11. Kazman

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    You are more than welcome mate.

    I currently have the HTR5630 (the predecessor to the RXV350) and the NSP100 as a back up system in the bedroom, you will be pleased. The Yammys are very good for the price, you may not need to upgrade the amp at all for a good while, as they can drive better speakers than the NSP100.

    The only weakpoint I'd say would be the sub in the NSP100, if you could divert some of the outlay you were going to use for the Denon all in one to say, something like a Mordaunt Short MS309 subwoofer, it will bring a HUGE benefit to the soundstage.
     
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    I would second the recommendation to replace the sub - I bought the HTiB45 pack a while aho (RXV430 and NSP220s), when the MS-309 came out it promptly replaced the yammy sub... sounds superb!
     
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    thanks.... will give it serious consideration.

    The AV50 deal means you get the speaker set for about 20-30 quid so can't go wrong with spending another 100-150 quid within the next year or so to make the whole package excellent as opposed to adequate..

    on another matter - Dfour recommended I contact this guy named MARK about getting some digital coax cables - I took his advice and have posted a message on the post where he sells these cables... thought you guys might be able to lend me your opinions also!!??? :confused:

    What sort of cables will I need to purchase to get everything working?? Obviously not sure what will come with the new JVC television and what will come with the Yamaha AV50 amp/speaker pack...

    (My JVC DVD player has all the major connections on the back - although it is NOT equipped with scart)... I have a whole bunch of RCA phono to RCA phono leads plus a couple of scart to scart and scart to phono leads.

    What are 'digital coax cables' for - do they just improve the sound output - what do they actually connect?? - is it to connect the TV to the amp or the DVD to the amp or the sub to the amp?

    thanks
     
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    Does your JVC DVD player have S-Video output?

    If it does, I would use that to connect to your TV (if your TV has an S-Video input). This will give a much better image quality than the composite connectors. Pity your DVD player doesn't have scart, to be honest, a decent DVD player is peanuts now-a-days: http://ws1.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=TOSH-SD240 for example is a bargain!!! It will have an RGB scart socket which makes a world of difference to image quality.

    A digital coax cable will connect between your DVD player and your amplifier. This sends the digital audio signal which the amplifier then outputs as Dolby Digital or DTS. Without this cable, (or its optical equivalent), you wouldn't be able to get surround sound in its best state (you could use the Pro Logic processing modes, but these are no where near as good as a proper digital decoded surround sound).

    Hope this helps?
     
  15. cinema stu

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    Kazman,

    yes, the DVD player does have S-video as does the new TV...

    It has the digital coax plug and an optical link as well.

    I might just look into buying that DVD player you suggested... have the problem of temporary flatmates that have gotten used to life with the DVD player so probably wouldn't be that fair us taking it away into the bedroom and thus depriving them of the DVD movie watching that we all enjoy so much.
     
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    Yeah i've just replaced my standard scart lead with an RGB scart for my xbox, difference in colour intensity and image clarity is immediatley noticable, it's not as big a jump as from VHS to DVD but it is noticable.
     
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    guys,

    is the consensus that strong regarding a SCART link from DVD to the the TV as opposed to S-VIDEO to TV.

    Having just forked out a fair wad of money to get a cool new home cinema system, I don't want to be missing out on top quality video simply due to the fact that my DVD player isn't equipped with scart.

    Will S-VIDEO be adequate? No players in the US, Japan and/or Australia are equipped with scart connections so surely it's not a case of lucky Britain/Europe being blessed with this overly better picture connection!!??

    Would gold plated RCA phono leads be better?

    interested to hear what people think! :confused:

    I am very close to purchasing a very cheap Ronin P215 DVD Player (hack can turn this into multiregion easily) which has the scart connection.... wondering that if it is that important then maybe I should spend a bit more for a brand name machine like the Toshiba SD240 Kazman suggested - it is already multiregion.
     
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    Stu - If it's any consolation I have spend a fair wad of money converting my cellar into a Cinema room and have only cabled in S-Vid to the TV point. Why? Because Scart was going to be simply too difficult to channel. This means that the full capabilities of the AV system I buy (looking at 3805/2910 Combo) will not be exploited when TV watching. Though I obviously do have the option of moving the DVD to the TV point and use SCART or Component direct to TV when I want, though this means I bypass the AV.

    SCART is better than S-Vid but I suppose it also depends on the quality of your SCART cable and S-Vid cable. Many non enthusiasts will use bog standard scart which is fairly poor anyway. I've also read on a number of threads that some people get a pretty good picture over S-Vid. I have Mark Grant S-Vid (Belden cable) to the TV point and suspect this is probably better than a £5 scart lead anyway. Remember though, with S-Vid you need to carry audio seperately over RCA.
     
  19. cinema stu

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    really good advice digisocialist... thanks.

    I think that's the go - going to ask Mark about the same Belden (is that Beldin or Belkin?) s-video lead... worth paying the extra to get good quality cords and obviously Mark comes highly recommended - planning to purchase the digital coax cable from him also.

    Is it worth investing in top quality RCA phono cords? My current ones are pretty cheapo versions from the local markets so suspect I should hunt down some gold-plated phonos??
     

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