It's not big at all, in any way or shape. The only thing that is big is how much as Sony paying for a bunch of developers. BIG would have been Sony going after Konami, SquareEnix or Capcom, that would have been a statement after Microsoft got Activision and Bethesda.
We got numbers on destiny 2’s player base split yesterday. A daily cut…..I think this is Sony increasing its presence in multiplayer - much like Microsoft buying Bethesda to increase its presence in single player.
Bungie has stated the deal lets it expand it's media potential, which suggests to me that a Destiny movie will appear at some point, following in the footsteps of Uncharted and The Last of Us. (a movie based on Horizon could be awesome!)
However big MS / Xbox is - it doesnt have the movie making history that Sony can boast.
I also didn't realise that a recent in-game event in Destiny (Bungie's 30th anniversary) had content cut on the Xbox side - which is rumoured to stem from the Activision purchase - and Destiny's expansion packs have been removed from Game Pass.
Destiny's fanbase on Xbox has always been much lower than PlayStation & PC - (somewhere around 20%?). While Sony have said that it won't be taking the game exclusive, I'd be suprised if it doesn't try to erode that percentage even further in some way.
It amuses me that people haven’t figured out that Sony and Ms aren’t fighting each other anymore but working together to try and protect the gaming brands they have from the other big tech piranhas out there.I don’t know why people keep referring to this as a statement or retaliation to the MS deal. It really isn’t, it’s business.
yeah I do tend agree with this. I don’t mean to go off topic but ‘sony ms and Nintendo have ‘mutual understanding that they want games to work and retain the tech and talent the space has as being salient.I’d take a look at what Phil Spencer said the other month…Sony, Nintendo and Xbox all trust each other to do what’s right for gaming. Obviously implying that they are all worried about the ‘meta verse’ etc threats coming over the horizon and potentially the challenges from China.
To grow the industry needs to expand into new markets especially mobile and services but that’s where they hit the Amazons, facebooks and Google’s plus tencent etc…these moves are clearly about protecting gaming development resources and IP and tools from slipping out of the core gaming space and effectively console developers being locked to a market with relatively growth potential.
Yep. This has been obvious for a while. Sony did a deal to use MS azure development for gaming.yeah I do tend agree with this. I don’t mean to go off topic but ‘sony ms and Nintendo have ‘mutual understanding that they want games to work and retain the tech and talent the space has as being salient.
meta nee Facebook, if they want to get their meta verse going, which is essentially stage one is what they have now just with a graphic front end. Eg You don’t have a list of facebook chats, intead in the meta verse you ’walk’ into the bar and chat with the the people of your friend list. Tv or headset even Better
i don’t think the Meta Facebook vision of the meta verse /= the blockchain vision (eg decentraland).
so what’s to stop meta buying epic and using unreal 5 ( I mean you’ve see the matrix demo, right?) to build out quickly meta cities (ue5 builder is fast). they have so much money relative the whole of the gaming space, that tech might start to be itersted with meta verse use first. Maybe next version is not for games. or maybe the games made the engine can be played in the Facebook meta verse
The meta verse will Need a lot of what gaming has pioneered. They’ve got lots of cash. It really is time to see gaming, Sony, Nintendo and MS as a group the battle isn’t between us it’s more to hold and keep getting talent, grow the user base to support that (Sony see, games on pc, buying dev and ip). I want that to be these three guys talking it on with some health rivally. Not meta or bezos just roll in and buy everything eg tech and talent, from underneath our established platform holder.
The real money in live service games is with volume and user engagement (spending money). It makes no sense really for either to restrict them. Though they will of course heavily incentivise them via their own services platforms to drive people towards them.Also, re multi-platform. Jim Ryan has talked a lot about MP the last few days, in most cases he means PS + PC just as Phil Spencer means Xbox + PC. Destiny may remain all platforms but I’m sure you’ll start to see better/first on PlayStation, PlayStation exclusive content, etc.
I expect the same thing to happen with COD
Yeah don’t disagree. But Bungie portfolio is Destiny 2 plus another life service style game as far as we know. Don’t think their portfolio will be more than that in next decade.Which is why I said multiplayer and not live service. Across the portfolio there will be different decisions on different games for a whole host of reasons.
I expect to see significant attention on mobile, for example, as they’re leaving a lot of money on the table there. But I’m not remotely excited by that.
I do wonder if Sony regret selling off SOE. Can’t help but feel that Evrequest, Planetside, DCUO, etc would be a great fit for PlayStation right now. Don’t think Jim Ryan would have done that deal.
Yeah don’t disagree. But Bungie portfolio is Destiny 2 plus another life service style game as far as we know. Don’t think their portfolio will be more than that in next decade.
Sure. It’s going to come down to services and not hardware. I fully expect next gen there will be little distinction in hardware at all.Yeah agree, I have no doubt that Destiny and Bungie's next game will be on all platforms. But I was referencing Jim Ryan interview which was talking about more than Bungie and multi-platform more generally.
Both Ryan and Spencer are very loose when they talk multi-platform and it’s not consistent and it generally means whatever they want it to mean at the time for PR purposes.
There well down that road, Hopefully this pulls things back. Sony need a kick up the bum and start raising there game (ironically there games are the only things they are getting right its everything else their messing up)I don’t want Sony being too dominant and getting complacent and not delivering as good a product/experience as they might do
There well down that road, Hopefully this pulls things back. Sony need a kick up the bum and start raising there game (ironically there games are the only things they are getting right its everything else their messing up)
What part of their game are you wanting them to up because the ps5 is apparently outselling the series x, you mention the games are fine so what else do you expect them to better?
Then there's the release of VR2, don't see MS releasing things like that, even though it might be seen as a gimmick.
If it's acquisitions then you're going to be disappointed because Sony have nowhere near as much disposable cash as MS.
X box players have been spoiled with gamepass because its been incredible value. Question is, how many will continue to pay for it when the price inevitably rises due to the inclusion of CoD, for example?
Is it good value for money if the price increases 50% - 100% per month because they've added CoD on day 1 but you don't play it?
You highlight the problem perfectly Lee - PS5's are selling so well Sony has little motivation to actually improve the console to sell more, so it will only happen if there is decent competition or possibly it wont happen ever which would be worse.
Not sure what Gamepass or that other stuff your bringing up has to do with what I am talking about, I think that's another part of a different conversation.
Sony need to improve, in my opinion, their sound and display support by adding
Quality of life stuff
- VRR - this is a big one and possibly only going to work if ever on Sony TV's
- Dolby Atmos
- Dolby Vision
- 1440p support - the most popular monitor resolution.
- Quick resume - proper quick resume not single game suspend (which is good but not great)
- Allow 3rd party controllers - I don't feel strongly about this but others may , its nice to have choice.
- Price of games at £70 - they can do so they did.
- Folders - again not a big deal for me but they do seem to have gone backwards on the OS features a bit.
- personally I would like to see more PS5 upgrades for PS4 games as standalone downloads and for free and less £10-£20 ones where we bundled the DLC and the PS5 upgrade. If you want to sell me DLC, sell me DLC If its good I will buy it but dont make me have to buy it as the only way to access a res bump or faster loading - that was why you pushed the PS5 in the first place. I shouldnt have to pay to use its supposed to be used.
There Games are great which lets face it is what the console if for and they have some things nailed finally like the storage upgrades. I have just finished Ghost of Tsushima and will be getting Horizon when its out so I like my PS5 but I feel its sales leader position is making Sony not try as hard as they could in areas outside of the games they have - I dont want Sony to "fail" I want them improve so my Playstation is better. Its also why I use my Xbox more and always for mulitplatform games - its generally better at them.