Playstation 4k

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  1. james1234321

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    So apparently Eurogamer have seen documentation that confirms that the PS4k is a real thing and it has greater than 2x the power of the standard version.

    Revealed: Sony's plan for PlayStation 4K - codename Neo

    CPU

    Base PS4 Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz
    PS4K Neo Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.1GHz

    Boost 1.3x

    GPU

    Base PS4 18 Radeon GCN compute units at 800MHz
    PS4K Neo 36 'improved' GCN compute units at 911MHz

    Boost 2.3x FLOPs

    Memory

    Base PS4 8GB GDDR5 at 176GB/s
    PS4K Neo 8GB GDDR5 at 218GB/s

    Boost 24% more bandwidth, 512MB more useable memory
     
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    Certainly interesting reading. I would have thought they would have needed much more RAM than they're looking at given the resolution.
     
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    It's weird isn't it.

    The GPU jump is huge but the CPU and memory bandwidth haven't increased proportionally. I was hoping for a better than Jaguar CPU for the device.
     
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    Perhaps Sony are still hoping that a lot more devs go along with the GPU Compute side of things that takes a lot of the legwork away from the CPU. Hasn't been used much so far, but on the games it has, it really does show what can be done.
     
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    I remember reading that it was possible they'd include a better CPU too, but the cost would go up.

    Well, I'm definitely interested in one. I just hope they go all out with a better CPU too
     
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    Well I feel conned. Ah well, not fussed about 4K right now anyways, but it would have been nice to have spent £350 on something that was future proofed.
     
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    PS4 is future proofed, they've confirmed all PS4 games will run on the existing model. Be nice to have a 3 year hardware cycle as the norm, with the base launch model supporting the latest titles for six years.

    Sony should offer them on pay monthly like phones, it's amazing just how many people don't realise they've actually paid like £800 over the course of their contract.
     
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    These people generally wear tracksuits and watch the X Factor - I don't think they're the demographic Sony are aiming for with this 4K console.
     
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    I don't see many titles running at native 4k on that spec, well apart from simple puzzlers or 2D indie games.

    We may however see some games running at upscaled 1440p or 1620p at 30hz. Hopefully each title will have an option to opt for 60hz at a lower resolution too?

    If they stick in a 3 layer, UHD Disk drive then I'm in.
     
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    It's interesting. I think I'll stick with my standard PS4 and use my PC for 4k gaming.
     
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    When most people have a 1080p TV what' the real point?

    I can't say a new 4k TV or console appeals to me unless they're cheap.
     
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    I have't seen any mention of 4k gaming on the rumoured PS4K.

    I think it will be able to stream 4k content as well as play 4k blu-rays.
     
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    I assume that the key point of this is to:
    a) Boost performance for VR - perhaps the PS 4.5 will be sold as part of a VR bundle
    b) Provide support for 4k/HDR blurays and 4k/HDR streaming - the PS3 provided a massive boost to Bluray in its battle with HD-DVD. The first 4k players that have been released are very expensive - Panasonic at £600 and Samsung at £430. If the PS4.5 is around £400 then it I would buy it for its 4k bluray playing ability alone - and may get a few games as well.

    I doubt that the extra performance will mean that 4k games can be run at decent frame rates.
     
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    Have to say, if Sony come out and say that the better Playstation VR experience
    will be with the PS4K then that will be enough for me to cancel my PSVR pre-order.
     
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    me too - I might cancel my pre-order and wait to see if there's a performance difference.

    This doesn't look like a wise move from Sony IMO.
     
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    Considering the tflops difference it'd be a safe bet that PSVR will be potentially improved with a higher framerate.

    Any games that are going for 60fps could be turned to native 120fps on PS4k.
     
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    Finally someone who gets it.

    When i read the constant stream of hyperbole on the Internet (hi gaff!) and podcasts like ps i love you (hi colin moriarty!), i feel like either the world or myself has gone completely insane.


    This!

    The #1 thing with the ps4k is the fact that at its time of release it will almost certainly be the cheapest way to play 4k blu rays.

    Why is this fact completely lost on everyone?
     
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    It's not lost on me. I will buy the PS4K if the rumours are true. It will be purely for 4K UHD Blu-rays. I am likely to never buy a game for it.
     
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    I don't give a rats about 4K video, I'm just as happy watching a dvd as a blurray. But if this new machine can get me some stable framerates I'm all in, doesn't half get annoying wandering the wasteland in Fallout with it micro stuttering every few minutes.
     
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    interesting...

    more so if i imagine Kent Brockman revealing this stupendous nugget of news!

    [​IMG]
     
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    The more I hear about this 4K version, the more I wish they'd just ditch it, and come out with an all new PS5 a little sooner.
     
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    Was reading that one of the reasons why we're getting a new GPU on the hardware refresh is that the cost of using the next iteration of AMD GPU was less than (or equivalent to) the cost of shrinking the existing one.

    The remainder of the spec looks like normal mid generation component shrink and cost reduction.
     
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    I'm quite torn about this........on the one hand it goes against one of the main things I like about console gaming, the reassurance that there is no pressure to upgrade with everyone being on the same level playing field each generation, however.........

    I'm very much in the camp that would sacrifice a bit of graphical detail to get a game running at 60fps, but so often a compromise is made and we get 30fps instead. If the Neo is able to take GTA5 for instance and via a patch get it running smoothly at 60fps, maybe adding in some upgraded anti-aliasing too, then I could be up for an upgrade. With the release of PSVR I'm expecting this to be a long generation, probably another good 5 years to come, so a one off upgrade might not be too painful to get a '1080p60 as standard' games machine.

    I'm just hoping that there is some sort of sensible trade in program, giving them my 'old' PS4 plus £200 may just be OK for me.
     
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    As I understand it there won't be a PS5. See the other thread. Sony is moving to the smartphone model where you have a product with constant minor improvements on a regular basis rather than a totally new console every so often.
     
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    That's interesting but would be strange to see. If I were to bet on it I'd say that there has to be a PS5 if Sony want to stay in the games industry. I just can't see Sony dropping such a strong position in the console market for some kind of smartphone model, all they need to do is have a slightly shorter life cycle. I'm fine with a 4-5 year life cycle. Out of all the PlayStations the PS2 for me was easily the best overall, and it would be a shame for it to end on a PS4K.
     
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    Think the future on anything like that will be decided on just how well these .5 models go down with joe public

    Look at the mess there was with the wii u !
    Outside of the small percentage of people who frequent the forums and follow the gaming news, the wii u was a confused mess, with parents, grandparents and even the kids thinking it was a peripheral rather than a new console

    It's going to be very difficult to get little Jimmys dad to understand these hardware revisions and having to know if a game will work for them. After all that's what put a lot off pc gaming
     
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    There's another thread here.

    PS 4.5 Anyone ?

    With this link in it.

    Even Sony doesn't know if there will be a PlayStation 5

    In an interview on Game Informer's video podcast, Lorne Lanning (the mind behind Oddworld) revealed that a senior executive at Sony had indicated that aPlayStation 5 was a question of 'if' rather than 'when'.

    The chief executive in question was Shuhei Yoshida, head of Sony's Worldwide Studios, who indicated that he saw the future of PlayStation hardware as moving towards small iterative releases, rather than mammoth hardware upgrades every six years.
     
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    And PC gaming does do fine despite people constantly predicting its death knell every few years. PCs have constant hardware improvements and PC gaming has been around for decades. Smartphones and tablets also are constantly improving. It could work.
     
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    The GPU specs quoted above sound very much like a slightly underclocked version of the new RX480 Amd just announced.

    It would make sense given the compact nature of a PS4 so under-clocking might be necessary to reduce heat and cooling. Amd are also pushing the RX480 as a budget/midrange card that can cope with VR that would tie in nicely with PSVR.

    I have a PSVR on order but I had decided to cancel and buy a rift instead, but that would require a GPU upgrade in my PC. A new ps4K and a PSVR would be cheaper, especially if the standard move controllers will work with it as I already own those.
     
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