Discussion in 'Televisions' started by exetazo, Nov 21, 2003.
Do you think Plasma betters CRT in terms of picture quality?
A good CRT will always beat a plasma, & by some margin.
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In what way?
I'm currently having a lot of trouble getting a CRT I'm happy with and have started to consider plasma. I know that there are issues with plasma - but there are issues with CRTs too - and I'm beginning to wonder whether I'm backing the wrong horse here
Kramer (as always!) is right. But you're right too that there are issues with CRT. However, a top-class CRT will always beat a top-class plasma in sharpness, clarity and depth of field. Try the Sony FQ range - if you get a good one you'll be knocked out by the quality. Admittedly getting a good one may be problematic...
Up to now I have always assumed that CRT is better for PQ than plasma.
I am currently awaiting the 2nd replacement for my defective Panasonic 36PD30 - and certainly it looks like it could be excellent (hell, that's why I bought it in the first place!).... but as you say, getting a good one seems to be problematic
What I'm starting to wonder is: would I be less annoyed by plasma issues than CRT ones? Surely nothing could be much more annoying than the infamous PD30 "dirty screen" effect?
Imagine you'd be 3 times as pee'd off haveing spent 3 times the dosh.
If you're after perfection, it ain't happening.
My 36" CRT is superb (but not perfect). Give me a plasma as good for £1500 and I'm happy, but don't give me less for a lot more!
It depends what you are concerned about. Plasmas have lower brightness and contrast and can have a smaller colur pallette resulting in haloes. Also from what I have seen of the plasmas at work there also seem to be issues of screen burn and reliability. However, they have larger screen sizes and none of the CRT issues of poor geometry, convergence, etc.
If you are buying a large screen CRT I think that you have to accept that you will never have perfect geometry and convergence - no matter how much you spend. (However, some sets may be almost perfect.) If you can put up with minor convergence/geometry issues and don't need a slimline set then go for CRT, otherwise if you are the knind of person who is going to send back a CRT every time you spot any imperfection then buy a plasma.
Kramer, I have to disagree with you on this. I have owned many CRT widescreen sets including a Sony 36" FQ. Last year I purchased a Panasonic 42" plasma and have never looked back. Although I'm sure there are many ways of technically proving the superiority of a CRT on paper, I have to say it doesn't hold any water to my VERY critical eye. Feeding component inputs from DVD produces by far the most smooth and cinematic home cinema experience I have seen thus far, and perfect geometry to boot. I certainly couldn't say this for the Sony, even after it had been set-up by an engineer. I have to say it's the best screen of any type I've ever owned and would urge anyone to demo a well set-up quality Plasma before choosing another CRT.
I have to disagree about the plasma being better, I owned a 42" panasonic too, the pwd6, got it a couple of weeks after it came out, and ended up returning it, panasonic said to return it for a refund, due to faults i reported being present in all the plasmas. These being banding, sometimes the banding causes really bad colour reproduction, which i compared to a TFT, CRT and now a RPTV all which were far better. It could have been that it needed calibrating via the service menu, but if it did, why didnt panasonic, do that for me or say thats what was needed if it was. Also other problems with the screen was the brightness of one section of the screen would affect the rest, this is really noticable with the Picture in Picture feature one input would affect the image of the other and when a computer is connected. The menu on it also affects the colour reproduction too when on, move the menu options down and the colour changes slightly to the left and right of the whole screen with the height of the option selected. I tested this with a PC connected via VGA, S-video and composite, and via 2 dvd players one being a pioneer 656 with svideo and rgb. To make sure it wasnt the compression algorithms causing the banding I used photoshop and made a gradiant of various colours, which showed the banding more when a mixture of the red green or blue were used and the menu effect i mentioned was very noticable doing this. When only one colour was used the gradiant looked fine.
I now have a Tosh 51WH36, and i am more satsified with that than the plasma, by far, and I still havent set it up properly, doing the focus etc.
The plasma did look really good for some types of video, sure as CG films, ie monsters inc, bugs life etc, but for really video, it looked quite bad in some darker and smokey scenes. One thing that was really bad was the matrix, at the very start, the touch lights and the surrounding colours were really bad, unlike on a CRT and RPTV (the tosh, which is a CRT projector i believe)
Well thats just my thoughts on plasmas and CRTs.
Can't say I've experienced the problems you mention bond007, I have to say the thought of returning to a bulky CRT or RPTV fills me with dread . But I guess it's all down to personal taste at the end of the day. I can tell you the best screen in the world is one which we feel most happy with when we sit down and watch it .
I agree with you on that, thats why i couldnt keep the plasma, when i started to see the problems (after 1 hour of use), and was unable to get rid of them, the feeling i had, god, i felt so sick, spent all that money on it, and wasnt satisfied, just hoping they could fix it, it was a faulty screen or could get a refund.
I would love to have the plasma without the problems i saw, if they were not there I would have kept it. (also apart from panasonic, i tested it on the ones in the shops, all had the same thing, the shop manager said, he can see it too, and said, did i just make that image move on purpose, the colours started to change in sections, and he thought I did it, but i didnt, if was just that I produced an image that would do it)
Wot r u all going on about!!
Plasma vs CRT?
If money is not a issue a good quality PROPERLY set up Plasma, AND I MEAN properly set up, does beat CRT.
Looking at anything set up in Currys/Dixons for example will put anybody looking for perfection in ANY screen off, even CRTs.
As for them who tried a Plasma at home,then i'm very sorry but you cannot of got it right.
SORRY, sorry you just can't.
I wouldnt say that the problems that I have seen are due to the screen not being set up correctly, as why would panasonic, when I called up their support, after noticing the problems, tell me (after they talked to their engineering department and then called me back) to return it for a refund and then send me a letter stating that it is a fault in the whole of their plasma range and that they hope to fix it in future runs.
I will agree that somethings on the plasma look a hell of a lot better than a CRT but then there are other things that look better on a CRT, and myself personally, I didnt wasnt to spend £3000 on a screen that look really good with some things and really bad with others. I would prefer a good alround image quality.
The plamsa has perfect geomerty, compared to a CRT which will never really be perfect, the latest plasma have good brightness and contrast now, but at the cost of more noticable banding, and to reduce this, you have to reduce them, so making is more or less a pointless increase. You get a trail effect a due to their response time, more noticable on skin tones, with a brightish background.
But saying all this, I know at some point i will get a plasma again or TFT, but not yet, untill the response times, resolution and colour reproduction is improved (no banding)
I had the panny 42pwd6 now have a tosh 51WH36P
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