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Plasma ONLY 30000 HRS OF LIFE

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by DonMaico, Jul 22, 2004.

  1. DonMaico

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    I am told that is their expected life which with average use would mean about 10 years( 8 hrs a day). Seems a poor return for something that costs over £2500 . Are they not overpriced?
    Assuming CRTs fade away is this the format that will takeover and if so their prices will surely plummet
     
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    You can get them for far less than £2500 now a days. I had my last TV for 8 yrs, although picture quality is still OK, it's big, heavy, UGLY, no component in, no progressive etc etc.

    So draw your own conclusions.

    I look forward to the day when every goes digital, 100% FREEVIEW coverage, HDMI, blue ray DVD etc etc.
     
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    What is HDMI and blue ray DVD?
    Then there is the small matter of which format will triumph Plasma or LCD
     
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    A modern plasma will lose 50% of it's brightness/contrast(?) in 30,000 hours, the panel will still be totally viable and since you have been watching it in that period your perception will have altered along with the performance drop.

    Flast panel displays are developing so fast both in terms of performance and value that actually thinking about owning a single panel for 10 years seems a little strange to me. Broadcast sources are going to change dramatically over the next 3 years let alone 10 so perhaps for some people buying a Plasma now is not a good investment in the long term.
     
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    Pioneer and Panasonic and some others rate their plasmas for 60,000 hrs to half brightness. Surely 20 years is enough?
     
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    you have to look at it this way its got to be worth £10 a week for 5 years (or £5 wk for 10)thats £2600
    i figure it at £25 a week so ill swap in 2 yrs sell my screen and put it towards a new one
     
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    I bought a Bang and Olufsen crt 20 years ago - cost £400 . It has only gone wrong once and I still use it now and again. To me Thats good value and what I would expect if I spent £2500 . If I only spent £400 today I wouldnt expect the same life span.
     
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    As well as picture quality and features rice MUST reflect long term reliability, otherwise whats the point?
     
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    Personally I don't think anything new is built to last...my dad brought a TV that is older than me, and it still provides a very good colour picture and has only gone wrong once....my modern telly brought 4 years ago is already giving me problems...the same for a lot of my modern appliances.

    I guess if you pay a lot of money then they maybe built to higher specifications??
     
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    I own a Panny TH42PW5 since Jan. 2003. I use it every day for TV ans DVD. The counter in de servicemenu says 1600 hours of use! You can do the math yourself...
     
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    We are a throw away generation, you don't build things to last because technology is developing so fast. I personally have had a 28" widescreen CRT TV for 4 years and it is already showing it's age, don't get me wrong the picture is still great, but it's not 100hertz, it's not got anti-glare coating, it's not a pure flat screen, and has said before it's not got the connectivity for modern day AV, it's basically scart or nothing!

    In the example you quoted that equates to 8p an hour of watching things at top quality in all their 42" glory, better value than both a cinema and pay-per-view don't you think? And it's not as if they self destruct after that you know, they will still work fine, just not be a vibrant as when they were new, which is only fair to expect.

    I've just bought a Panasonic 42" Plasma and will get hours of enjoyment from it, and at using it's lifespan and the price I paid for it it's only 4p per hour of entertainment.

    Quite frankly whether it cost me £400 or £4000 I really couldn't imagine keeping anything electrical for 10 or 20 years, can you imagine the technology that will be available in 2024? You'll be able to pick second hand plasma screens up for £20 at a car boot sale!!!

    Don't forget Plasma is cutting edge, the best there is at the moment. I can perhaps understand if in 10 years it will die and it will cost you another £2500 to replace it, but do you really think that will be the case? By the time it dies a cheaper make 42" Plasma will be available for £500 in Currys! Remember it wasn't so long ago you would of been happy to fork out £3000-£4000 to be the first to get a 32" Widescreen CRT!

    As for LCD's they may (and probably will) take over eventually, but what does that matter to your purchase in the here and now? At the minute I don't think the picture is up to it and the cost of a 42" LCD would be ball breaking! If you worried about what was round the corner when you bought something, you'd never buy anything! It's not as if you'll be laughed at in 5 years if you have a plasma on your wall! In fact I still think at least 75% of the population would still be quite envious of you!

    I personally like to upgrade my things before they get too old and they still have some sale value. I'd honestly surprise myself if I have this plasma I'm getting longer than 5 or 6 years!

    Also I could be wrong but CRT's quote a lifespan too, doesn't mean you have to pay any attention to it though!

    I think the only reason they quote a lifespan at all is to dispel the rumours that surround plasma, it was only yesterday my technology savvy Uncle said to me don't get a plasma, they only last 3 years at most, and you have to pay for them to be serviced to replace the gas. Now my Uncle isn't a technophobe, but it's a common misconception of plasma screens, that's why short of being unimpressed when I told him Panasonic quote a lifespan of 35000-50000 hours he was positively astounded!

    And one last thing, are you really going to sit and watch TV for 8 hours every single day or your life? Let's say for arguments sake you didn't watch it at the weekend, that will increase it's "on paper" lifespan by another 3 years. And say you have over the course of the year 3 weeks holiday times that by 10 years and that's another year you'll get out of it!

    Oh also if you think Plasma's are a waste of money and don't last long without fault when compared to what it cost you, I take it you don't drive? ;)
     
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    Well not generally being one to say it's better to hold on and wait with what comes next.

    It has to be said that now is the wrong time to be making a big investment in something like Plasma. Sure if you have the money and are in need of one now, then that's fine but it is not a wise move really.

    Broadcast material is set to change within 3 years, CRT is about to be pulled, and you have LCD as the most likely common alternative....and Plasma. With the unsettlement in broadcast standards and the fact that falling prices of LCD will drive down further, then spending >£3k on a Plasma for what could be 3 years is a bit much for some to bite.

    Gone are the days that you would expect this sort of investment to last you 20 years. You would be lucky to get 3 years I would say. It's why Plasma has not really taken off as it should have simply cos it's not value for money.

    Here on this forum, people will and are prepared to buy Plasma cos we are enthusiasts and that skews the concensus. Real world people though think we are nutters with more money than sense...and they're probably right ! :devil:
     
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    Most expensive items you are likely to buy in your life:

    1. House £150,000 to £250,000
    2. Car £10,000 to £30,000
    3. Plasma TV £2,000

    For those of us who have lost faith in state education (and with deep pockets) £100,000 per child.

    So, putting that into perspective why are the nay sayers even on this forum?
     
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    BTW, John Lewis and House of Fraser (and some TVs in Debenhams) do 5 year free warranties.
     
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    Would agree with the first two, but I don't know if I would put a Plasma at third place, depends on your priorities in life. And more likely £2k-5k.

    The first two are also necessities and a Plasma is a luxury. Combine that with the fact that a plasma maybe a lot further down the chain than what you are suggesting. Then for most people the necessities in life have taken up most of the income and a Plasma becomes an unaffordable luxury for most people.
     
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    Plasma's will be able to cope with the next lot of changes in broadcasting, so will LCD's.
    Whislt we are a throw away society, its only because of upgraditis mainly. Besides £400 20 years ago was a hell of a lot of money, try to configure taht to todays money and also increase the screen size to 42"/50"................there is no comparison
     
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    1. OK. What's the difference between a £12,000 and a £10,000 car. None. Buy the £10,000 car and go buy yourself a plasma.

    2. If you need a new TV. A top of the range 36" Sony/Panasonic/Toshiba will cost £1,200 to £2,000. Do the maths and go buy your plasma.

    3. Remortage onto a cheaper rate. Go buy yourself a plasma.

    4. You may not have a choice in 3-5 yrs time as CRT production will be closed down over time due to lack of demand. Remember those plastic things that spung around and you had to put a needle on it.

    5. If you're hard up and need to feed wife and kids you shouldn't be reading this. You should be working a the local burger joint not an a causal forum like this. Should be working 14hrs a day!
     
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    Sorry, but certainly cannot agree with or condone any of these points.

    Half decent Plasma set up will on average I guess cost you £4k once you have all the bits thrown in ? I know mine did. Most normal people think £4 Grand for a telly is still an absurd amount however nice it looks or big it is. Then tell them the unsurity on how limited it's life might be ????...... That's the real world.
     
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    Hi

    Don't know about the rest of you. Getting married and having a child with another on the way makes the cost of a plasma look like pocket change.

    I do own a 42PD3000 which I have had for nearly a year. Well worth the money. Not sure the way mine's in use how long it will last. I guess its good for at least 8 years (if my urge to keep it lasts that long with HD being the next big thing to hit the UK shores). In 2005 Sky are on about introducing HD channels and that could be a major driver for plasma/LCD in the UK.

    Prices are falling. My 42PD3000 was about 3k when I bought it. They are coming down and in about 5 years time when the HD dust has settled, HD models should be getting inexpensive. It always amazes me what you can pick up stateside for £1500 compared to the UK.
     
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    Don't know where you live but I wish I lived there! You can't buy a paper bag in middle of road for £250k in Cobham. The price of an AV system is chicken feed to folks here. conversation quote 'Shall we just go to the Galapagos for 2 weeks instead of 3, and have a system installed whilst we're away?' It's amazing how many people are in that kind of price bracket. Yes they are still way too expensive if you're on the dole, but an expected life span of 10 years is reasonable. My 20k car will be knackered by then, and no longer in my ownership. And BTW what will you buy instead? A CRT with scart sockets? An LCD for even more money? An RPTV big enough to house the in-laws, still with no HDTV input? Makes plasma look sensible IMHO
     
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    I thought we were comparing plasma prices with CRT not whole AV systems. Never mind.

    £4K for a plasma. No way. I thought everyone knew about www.pricerunner.com. PW6 for under £2K. Scart board comes as standard. Plug in your VCR and hey you have a TV. Techwood, Samsung, LG models selling below £2K.

    I think this is a major problem in this country. People beleive things that are simply not true. Maybe watching too much TV (pun intented LOL). Do your research man. Never part with your money until you have.

    BTW, remortaging to a cheaper rate doesn't mean you have to borrow more (i.e. be in even more debt), simply reducing the uncessary interest you have to pay. Money saved is money earned.

    Get with it.
     
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    I know you're a trader MAW. But I couldn't agreed with you more.

    LCD or organic LCD the way forward but may be some years before they can compete with the current perfomance with plasmas, especially with the new HD stuff.

    My only issue is still with screenburn, but touch wood no issues yet. Last CRT TV had screenburn just the same. LCD backlight will also fade overtime and need replacing, and dead pixels can develop over time as each pixel is much more compliacted then on a plasma.

    BTW, I certaintly don't live in the SE. If I was I would simply move and buy a 60" screen with the change.
     
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    a) house I'd agree but then its a sound investment
    b) a necessity but hardly an investment. I would never borrow to buy one ( double whammy) In fact my current Toyota Corrolla cost me the princely sum of £ 200 and I have had it for three years without any problems.Now to me thats money well spent.Doesnt look much but does the ebiz.
    c)I d like to change my crt to a flat screen( if only top save space) but the sort of prices they are asking for at the mo there is absolutely no way. I am not convinced that plamas produce better pictures any way and neither does m y dealer who sells plamas LCDs and Loewe crts and reckons the Loewes come out tops.But its theshere bulk and weight that puts me off buying another crt
     
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    There is no way you can call a car an investment. I spent £10k on my golf that will last me 5/6 years so I can sell it before it develops problems, add on to that servicing costs etc, then take into account how much value it would loose over that time. I don't use my car that much really an hour a day generally speaking when I'm at work. But I bought it and everyone was "Great car, it's lovely" etc etc.

    I spend £2k on a Plasma TV that I use on average 4 hours a day and will (hopefully) will be working fine long after my car has been services umpteen times at £200 a pop. But were people "Wow great buy"? No it was gasps of horror and "You spent THAT much on a TV?" I just don't get it, but that's me.

    And as for the £2-4k comment I'm sorry that is total BS. This week I spent £2200 and for that got the highly regarded Panasonic PW6, tilting wall mount, Scart, Component and S-Video connections, 2 year warranty and even a lovely Ikea beech TV cabinet! Not only will I get years of enjoyment from it, it's totally transformed my room!

    The screen is also compatible with future formats. And lets not forget HDTV isn't out until 2006, then it'll be over priced for a couple of years, then it'll take a while for enough channels to be eshablished/changed over, and waiting for NTL to change. By they I'll be ready to upgade anyway!

    I mean we're talking a completely new standard here! I seem to recall the Government years ago saying the Country will be on DTV by 2005, then it was 2010, now AFAIK the date for turning of analouge is 2015! So that's 15 years just to get people to buy a £50 D-TV freeview box, and you think CRT's will be put in the bin sooner?

    I'm sorry I just don't see it, I'll have long upgraded before joe public have caught up to HDTV level.....
     
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    Here here Apnomis.

    Only thing I would say about bining CRT is that CDRT is not a standard like HD. It's a 1980's Ford Escort.
     
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    i dont go out and ****** £100+ a week on booze as some of my mates do i enjoy my telly and dvds so its all relative we all unwind in different ways so we all see it differently and as such we all have our own views it wouldn't do for us all to be the same
    my boss spends £100k+ on his cars and gets a new one every 18 - 24 mths thats what he enjoys
    at the end of the day its up to you how you spend your money and no one else can say how expensive your enjoyment is but YOU :)
    ive spent £3+K on my gear and think its value for money and am happy :clap:
    so you have to sit back and think if its what you want and if its yes then do it and enjoy it :laugh:
    if not then enjoy the money in your bank another way ya cant take it with ya folks :lesson:
     
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    my boss has a Roller( must be 20 years or more) in pristine condition. Bought it cheap but its servicing costs are humungous. Also has a Nissan sylvia ( F reg) absolutely immaculate and which goes like the proverbial off a shovel., a wartime Landrover and a brand new Volvo. Good luck to him!
    i shall certainly consider a flatscreen in time but only when their prices are more realistic. Its like I wouldnt spend £10 on a dozenm eggs or £ 30 on a bottle of wine. Its all about percieved value for me. and i dont think for one minute that a plasma is worth 2 or 3 times what a top quality crt is. I have compared pictures and its just not there for me.When they get to about a grand I may consider one.
     
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    I think you'll find that the £4k comment was for a plasma setup. Most people on this forum would not consider simply purchasing the panel adequate for an AV setup, without the AV receiver, amp, top notch DVD player, scaler etc. to go with it. Basically, the point is that the panel is only part of the set-up and as always, running a £2k TV with a £40 VCR is pointless.

    Its just the same as buying an Aston Martin, and putting halfords own brand oil in it, and having it serviced by your mate who is a dodgy car salesman.
     
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    my mechanic, who is a very good at his job,used to work for the local Saab dealership and he charges a third of their labour rates.Value can always be found!
     
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