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Planning permission

Discussion in 'Satellite TV, Sky TV & FreeSat' started by zAndy1, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. zAndy1

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    If I've already got a Sky minidish I presume I'll need planning permission to put another dish up regardless of size? Should I bother or take a chance and just put one up anyway? Also can anyone recommend a dish etc for receiving Astra 19.2 and Hotbird, want the Euro 1080 hidef channel on Astra and might as well get hotbird while I'm at it...

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    a second dish should be fine mate, chris muriel is your man if he is still around also there are loads of sites that will advise you as well as companies like satalogue who can help, try a google and see what comes up.
     
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    I'm thinking of this myself to get another two Sky + boxes in. Planning permission is needed, theoretically, to put up a second dish but if the siting is not visible from the road, or neighbours are unlikely to complain, you may well get away without it. I think I'm going to risk it.
     
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    I've got 2 dishes up. One for Sky, one for 19.2. The second dish is round the back, so out of site from road and neighbours. As has been said, you theoretically need planning permission, but if you're sensible, and don't worry about these things it shouldn't be necessary. I suppose as long as your house doesn't look like Goonhilly you should be OK!!!;)
     
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    or you could just have one dish say an 80cm one with 3 lnbs on it for 28.2e, 19e and 13e
     
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    You are officially allowed just one dish - which can be up to 90cms . Any subsequent dish should have planning permission.
    More than 1 dish without planning permission is, however, quite common - Sky zone1 size dishes are fairly unobtrusive and common so very few people would worry about it.
    If you have the same antennas (whether dishes or TV antennae or even amateur radio/TV types) up for 4 years, you can claim "deemed planning permission" from the local council without having to submit any plans or pay fees - you just need affadavits from your neighbours. I did this for my 30-foot tower (full of small dishes and yagi antennae for amateur radio/TV).
    I also have 3 satellite dishes (only one is large i.e. 1.8Metres) and a couple of modified squarials up - but no complaints.
    Separate , more onerous rules apply in conservation areas, within national parks and on listed buildings.

    An 80 cms dish with monobloc LNB or 2 LNB's + horizontal arm will get Astra at 19.2 E + Hotbird easily.
    Quite a lot of good info also on the satcure website :
    http://www.netcentral.co.uk/satcure/

    Chris Muriel, Manchester.
     
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    Thanks for that, just looking at some sites to get some ideas, thinking along these lines.. .Triax 78cm dish with 6 degree bracket and 2 Invacom 0.3db LNBs, plus a 2 way DiSEqC switch which I assume I'll need. I'll be connecting to a Humax F1-VACI receiver and then using the LNB out of the receiver (passthrough I assume) to send the signal to my PC DVB PCI card. I assume none of that will cause any problems (not sure about the pc connection bit really i.e. will it see the signal for Euro 1080 ok, presume I'll have to select the Astra LNB using the receiver somehow)...

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    Assuming that Humax has an LNB loopthrough that should work.
    You would need a DC blocking lnb connection to your PCI card as the PCI card will also be trying to send 18 volts up to the LNB's.
    I use my 1.8 metre steerable dish with a Quad (Invacom but have also used MTI) LNB and run 1 of the LNB outputs to PCI card 1
    (Twinhan VP1020). It loops through to the other PCI card (Broadlogic BL2030).
    An Echostar LT7800 analogue receiver/positioner controls the dish-moving part and takes 1 of the LNB outputs.
    The other 2 outputs feed other digital settop boxes.

    Chris Muriel.


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    Yep, I've also got two Sky Mini Dishes on our house, basically I bought a new receiver myself and when it was delivered it came with a dish, so I decided to install that one myself.

    Their both on the back of the house (so cannot be seen from the street), furthermore, one is towards the back most part of the house, whilst the other is more towards the inside.

    Had them both for well over 2 years with no problems, in order to see both of them you must live opposite the garden towards one side only!

    I think most sky installers might kick-up a fuss, however the independent one's will most likely get one with the job!
     
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    Where would I get one of those DC blocking things from? The PCI card wouldn't be directly connected to the LNBs anyway as it would be fed by the Humax lnb out, do you think I'd still need this DC blocking thing anyway?

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    Depends on whether or not the LBN out port sends 18 volts DC out as well as the 900-2150 MHz IF signals.
    If you do need one, any independent satellite installer + a number of online specialists will supply

    Chris Muriel
     
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    a receiver with DiSEqC switch would work fine for astra and hotbird and use the rf loop through to the sky box ?
     
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    I thought I'd give the links to the actual Legislation now in force regarding Satellite Dishes. In 2005 Changes were made to the rules governing Satellite Dishes - Source: http://http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/uksi_20052935_en.pdf. They amend earlier Rules - SEE CLASS H - at this link:
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1995/Uksi_19950418_en_4.htm#IDARND3D

    Your Local Planning Authority will usually have a consolidated leaflet describing how the rules are applied / interpreted locally. You are in most situations allowed just two dishes or a dish and ariel (all called Antenna) - but care should be taken in siting them. For blocks of flats only 4 items are allowed - which means most blocks need common distribution or shared systems.

    See below for Scotland & Wales - the rules differ slightly. The new Scottish rules apply from April 2007.

    These are the main provisions as set out in the Explantory Memorandum for England:

    In summary, the changes introduced by the Instrument are as follows:
    Antennas
    The amended order makes no distinction between microwave and satellite antennas in relation to the permitted development rights granted.

    Dwellinghouses and other buildings up to 15 metres in height.
    The number of permitted antennas is increased to two, and the size restrictions in relation to the two permitted antennas are slightly relaxed. Antennas are permitted to protrude above the roofline (subject to height restrictions) where a chimney is present. A new maximum cubic capacity of 35 litres is introduced for all permitted antennas.

    Buildings over 15 metres
    The number of permitted antennas is increased to four, and the size restrictions in relation to the four permitted antennas are slightly relaxed. Antennas are permitted to protrude above the roofline by up to 130cm. A new cubic capacity of 35 litres is introduced far all antennas.

    Conservation areas, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, National Parks and the Norfolk and Suffolk Broads (described in the Order as ‘Article 1(5) Land').
    The siting restrictions in relation to antennas permitted in these sensitive areas are slightly relaxed. Antennas are permitted to protrude above the roofline (subject to height and siting restrictions) and on a chimney (subject to size, height and siting restrictions). The prohibition of antennas on walls, roofs and chimneys facing a road or a Broads waterway is maintained, although such restrictions only apply where the antenna will be capable of
    being seen from a road or waterway.


    NB If you live in Scotland - check this link for the new Statutory Instrument covering Satellite Dishes, etc: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/scotland/ssi2007/ssi_20070209_en_1


    NB If you live in Wales - these are the rules:
    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/legislation/wales/wsi2006/20060124e.htm
     

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