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Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by cuewoz1, Dec 7, 2003.

  1. cuewoz1

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    Hi
    Just bought this dvd from morrisons and got home to find no booklet.
    The case wasn't sealed and wondered if there should be a booklet with it?
     
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    Mine didn't have a booklet, just some advertisement for disney.

    Quite surprised by it actually.
     
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    yeah it crap that theres no booklet,not even a chapter stop paper like the old releases used to have.
     
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    I got mine from Sainsburys and made the assistant go through all the stock to check if any had a booklet/chapter guide but none had!
     
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    booklet in the region 1 version
     
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    There was no booklet in my R2 copy from MVC, just some marketing stuff.

    I was quite surprised actually.
     
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    Make sure you watch past the end credits!
     
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    I didn't even have ads in there, just a box with 2 DVDs :(

    :D

    but the two discs make up for it.
     
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    Why, does the booklet suddenly appear? :D
     
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    got a rental version and it's interlaced not progressive, haven't really paid much attention before but the other two rentals (matrix reloaded and bruce almighty) were both progressive. Just wondered why..??
     
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    Huh? Interlaced or progressive is down to your player / display device not the disc. Maybe you meant something else.
     
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    hmmmm... under "disc information" it comes up as "interlaced" - other discs i tried at the same time do not, they come as "progressive".
    Output says progressive when playing the pirates dvd - but it looks interlaced, in wonder if this a dvd / dvd player not working together thing.
     
  13. Jayb

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    I think Massiah is right. I have Tosh520 & Tosh 32zd26 TV which can both handle NTSC progressive scan but play pal in interlaced.

    So the first thing you need to check is does your DVD player output progressive scan and will your TV display progressive scan, if they do, is it NTSC or Pal. If either of them can't handle progressive scan it is my understanding you will not be able to watch anything in PS.

    As for a DVD being interlaced or progressive, again it is my understanding that the two main formats are NTSC(R1) & Pal(R2)
    and both of these formats can be displayed as either interlaced or progressive depending on your equipment.
     
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    DVD is encoded as interlaced video . Any progressive behaviour is by virtue of an additional deinterlacing stage either in your player , display standalone deinterlacer ( sometimes all three unfortunately!).
     
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    started another thread on the dvd player forum - it would seem that it is down to the disc - link on other thread and points to another forum. However it would seem that a lot of people disagree on this point.....
     
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    But no DVD is encoded as Progressive. As I stated earlier and Mr. D said above the ability to view a progressive signal is equipment dependant not disc dependant.
     
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    hmmm..

    http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/forum...4&Thread=217965

    check that out.

    Maybe somone(??) can explain why some "discs" are showing as progressive and some are not. BTW the scan output type always shows are progressive, however you can tell when it brings the disc up as interlaced.

    A simple NO discs are encoded and it's NOT down to the disc just doesn't backup the hard facts i see in front of me. Maybe someone with a different, but progressive capable, dvd / plasma setup can enlighten us???
     
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    the reg 1 pirates has a nice slipcase, and a booklet....dont know why they didnt put anything in the reg2 version
     
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    That URL doesn't work for me.

    What is "it" exactly thats showing the disc as progressive or interlaced?
    DVDs are encoded as interlaced video , end of story. Its not a simple "NO discs are encoded as progressive" its a fact dvd is interlaced video.
    The only additionally relevant information that exists on the disc is the 3:2 pulldown flagged frames.

    Its likely whatever you are referring to thats showing a disc as progressive or interlaced is either tripping up on the flagging or the flagging is wrong on the disc ( common) and it thinks its got field based material ( video) rather than frame based( film) or defaults to a video mode on bad detection.
    Or you are using a progressive output capable dvd player that can't handle PAL progressively ( the fact its a rental is a clue).
     
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    link:

    http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/forums/thread.asp?Forum=214&Thread=217965

    i take your point... the player Harman Kardon dvd25 has an info button, this displays two pages of information:

    Disc Information
    This shows if the disc is interlaced or progressive

    Player Information
    Shows it is outputing as progressive scan (always shows this)

    I maybe worried about something or nothing, but to the naked eye I can tell the difference when under "disc information" it shows interlace or progressive..
     
  21. Mr.D

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    If you are watching dvd you'll encounter 4 main types of material

    NTSC transfers of film originated material ( most films)
    NTSC transfers of video originated material

    PAL transfers of film originated material.
    PAL transfers of video originated material.

    ( then you get other stuff that might have been transcoded from one format to the other that will play merry hell with most deinterlacers and pop them into video mode as a compromise)

    The first type in each case is hopefully what your player identifies as "progressive". ( assuming it can handle 2:2 pulldown) If the player can correctly identify the field sequence ( cadence) then it can reconstruct discreet whole frames jsut by slapping two fields together)

    The second type is probably what your player identifies as "interlaced" along with anything else it can't identify unless it uses a different technique for dubious material. It can handle this a number of ways : probably what it does is resize each field to a full height frame (bob) and run at 50 or 60fps depending on format or it does the bob bit but mixes each consecutive frame together and runs at 25fps or 24fps ( average).

    just because your player has decided to indicate film based material identification ( its not even really this its more an indication of the type of deinterlacing technique its decided to use) by using an inappropriate term does not mean that the discs themselves are progressively encoded.

    In that thread you posted someone actually explains all this : however the Saqib fellow shows an inordinate ability to refuse to understand what he's reading . I guess he gets off on showing his mates his "progressively" encoded discs that his mighty special dvd player tells him about . ( this isn't you I take it?)

    DVD is not progressively encoded : end of story.
     
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    ahhhh... I think I understand now, good answer and in english - thanks for the info.

    I've just watched the LOTR The Two Towers (ES version) and it's stunning visually, but again my player "thinks" it is interlaced. I won't worry about this in future.

    ta.

    ps. no its not me!
     
  23. Mr.D

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    I think maybe your player can't do progressive PAL corerctly so it fudges ti. If you are happy with the result don't worry.
     
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    Duff dvd player - sent for repair get another and all is well... thanks for all the feedback guys (and girls) it helped me sort the problem, could have been stuck with a dvd player without knowing forever :smashin: :smashin:
     

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