Doug Pyper
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Has anybody ever heard a receiver that places objects around the room less precisely than other models?
If an X1700 had all the features I wanted, I think I'd be perfectly happy with one with regards to power and audio quality.I think we have to trust that this is the case don't we? Given that we don't have the resources to directly compare. That's the point in reviews? Or at least absorb them as part of our evidence.
Otherwise, for 7 speakers or less, most of us would just have an x1700. See below:
Post in thread 'Denon AVC 8500A v Pioneer LX704' Denon AVC 8500A v Pioneer LX704
I would love the chance to be able to compare and hear the difference in the precision of the object placement.
Sell out?! Go away you horrible little toad.Beautiful sell out avforums Another review by the "feelings" no measurements, no objective tests, nothing.
Pioneer VSX-LX505 AVR Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Pioneer VSX-LX505 ELITE 9.2 Channel AV Receiver. It was kindly drop shipped to me by a member and is a refurbished unit. Normal cost is US $1699. As you see, the front panel is the same old interface from decade+ back. The on-screen menus...www.audiosciencereview.com
Here enjoy the fact, that power limit becomes just 35 watts into 4ohms, and 20 watts into 8ohm after half a minute. As always Pioneer QC is just horrible.
So review which is based on feelings, and that the review "liked" the sound when watching a movie is better, then actual measurements and tests showing flawed amp stage? AmazingSell out?! Go away you horrible little toad.
Did you join just to troll?
Unfortunately, the two subwoofer outputs are just a split of the same signal, so it cannot set trim and time align for two subwoofers.
In reality, it means that the x3800 actually offers 3 more subwoofer connections.
This, plus the global crossover, to me are the two things that put me off in this price bracket. Yes, members could use external EQ for multiple subwoofers (e.g. MiniDSP) but still they'd be sending a rolled of 80Hz signal to typically less capable ceiling/height speakers.
Since the AVR-X3300, Denon (and Marantz equivalent) have offered two individual subwoofer outputs and have had crossovers per channel.
That aside, I am really chuffed to see more manufacturers in the UK market place offering us more choice. And I love the look of the Pioneer (and Onkyo) units.
Actually the single sub out wouldn't bother me at all as, provided the subs have variable phase control (and all good ones do), that's 100% fixed in about 5 minutes with a handheld SPL meter with the creation of a single "virtual sub" to present to the AVR.Unfortunately, the two subwoofer outputs are just a split of the same signal, so it cannot set trim and time align for two subwoofers.
In reality, it means that the x3800 actually offers 3 more subwoofer connections.
This, plus the global crossover, to me are the two things that put me off in this price bracket. Yes, members could use external EQ for multiple subwoofers (e.g. MiniDSP) but still they'd be sending a rolled of 80Hz signal to typically less capable ceiling/height speakers.
It's a very rare day to correct you Gasp!! But for the EU/UK the NR7100 it does have front L/R pre-outs.NR7100 (1249£) without pre-outs, but availability pushed to April.
While a true reference system could cope with a global 80Hz crossover, this is a pretty silly spec for a mid-range Atmos AVR that presumably supports "bouncy house" Atmos enabled speakers. I'm pretty sure that Dolby recommend at least an 150Hz crossover for these. If so, this AVR is dead in the water for the upfiring brigade.
I've just read through the ASR review and the comments on it. Turns out some people think the "problem" identified is not actually a real-world problem. But it will probably assist with the longevity of the product. Even with measurements, people have different opinions on a product, and Doug Pyper has provided his opinion on this product.So review which is based on feelings, and that the review "liked" the sound when watching a movie is better, then actual measurements and tests showing flawed amp stage? Amazing
Beautiful sell out avforums Another review by the "feelings" no measurements, no objective tests, nothing.
Pioneer VSX-LX505 AVR Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Pioneer VSX-LX505 ELITE 9.2 Channel AV Receiver. It was kindly drop shipped to me by a member and is a refurbished unit. Normal cost is US $1699. As you see, the front panel is the same old interface from decade+ back. The on-screen menus...www.audiosciencereview.com
Here enjoy the fact, that power limit becomes just 35 watts into 4ohms, and 20 watts into 8ohm after half a minute. As always Pioneer QC is just horrible.
I know what you are saying here, but when it comes to analysis of video displays and projectors, AV reviewers do a first class job. Real measurements are used. The reviews are quite extensive showing all the different parameters, pre and post calibration.Dude it's not a sell out? AV forums do not measure audio equipment so how have they sold out?
It's a shame that the pioneer is limiting power and should be making customers aware; however the reality is in a real world situation, the odds that you are going to put the avr under a synthetic load like this for a prolonged period isnt realistic. engaging after 35 seconds probably allows the full power to deal with dynamic peaks in movies. Again, this should be highlighted and is very poor of pioneer not to mention this; however, the fact that the avr was tested and the power limit was not picked up shows this.
I appreciate you pointing this out for us consumers to see but why you are pointing a finger at avf imo is poor taste.
I know what you are saying here, but when it comes to analysis of video displays and projectors, AV reviewers do a first class job. Real measurements are used. The reviews are quite extensive showing all the different parameters, pre and post calibration.
When it comes to audio equipment, there is nothing like the depth of review. Not even a simple power output for 2ch meeting the specified distortion.
So yes, there is a discrepancy here, and I would love to see a few more measurements done.
Nice to see it confirmed.It's a very rare day to correct you Gasp!! But for the EU/UK the NR7100 it does have front L/R pre-outs.
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good review
i had a pioneer receiver a few years back , it was the 11 channel on board one called the SC LX 901 i think. i have to say it sounds like MCACC is still a weak point as neither i nor my calibrator could ever get a truly acceptable result from it although you got much better results than i got on the speaker distances. i suspect owners would be well advised to use DIRAC over MCACC maybe with a UMIK microphone?
That's a really good question and probably worthy of its own thread.This review has me wondering whether we have reached a point with AVRs where the calibration software is more important than the hardware.
I would be interested to hear the views of other forum members of whether they think that is true or not.