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Pioneer VSX-2014i-S with Mission M-Cube

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    Just a quick question - does anyone know how the Mission M-Cube speakers will connect to the Pioneer VSX-2014i-S Amp? The reason I ask is because I believe that the new Mission Cube's connect to the Amp via 1 lead (i think) as all the sats connect directly to the sub, then from the sub to the amp. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but can anyone clarify this?

    If it does indeed connect via one cable to the amp, anyone know what this cable is, and does this cause a problem with the Pioneer's automatic set-up?
     
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    I'm not sure about this as there is very little info on the M-cubes, they haven't even been released yet!
     
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    I think it's the same system as the other Mission NXT speakers (such as the FS6.1AV) so if anyone has these, i'd be intrested to know how they connect. I spoke to a guy in a Hi-fi shop the other day who said they are now due in February and not December (boo-hoo) but he did say they used the same system as Mission's other NXT speakers, and that they sounded great (way hay!) unlike Mission's other NXT speakers!
     
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    I'm sure there'll be some reviews pretty soon. I heard the M-cubes at the recent What Hi-Fi show and they sounded great for a sub/sat system :thumbsup: However, shows aren't the ideal places for a demo and would like to get a proper demo to see how goot they are.
     
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    ... I can not wait either! Finally, a home cinema system that caters for people who care about what their room looks like. I want a home cinema, but I don't want it to look like one...
     
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    That's a fair point. However, the M-cubes have a funny fabric wrap around them, not too keen on that. I suppose if it's fashion...
     
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    I think the m-cube set is standard in terms of connectivity. I've got the brochure from Mission and it looks fairly simple , so i wouldn't worry about it.

    Should be interesting to see how they perform against the KEF Eggs or the MS Genie sets.
     
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    I agree but given that the M-cubes are 50% more expensive than either, only in an academic sense.
     
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    NC11 - is the brochure they sent you that double sided poster? From what I can see on there, they look like bananna plugs on the back of the sats?
     
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    Yep , I believe so along with a price list. I don't remember the connectors on the sat but I don't think it was any different to those on the KEF Eggs I've got.

    will try and look it up tonight.

    Cheers.

    NC.
     
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    Just a quick update...

    I've seen and heard the M-Cube package yesterday. Unfortunately the sats are directly connected to the sub , just like the bose systems!! :mad:

    The package looks great , and the sats feel well built , but I'm not sure they can sustain the sound quality set by KEF or MS Genie for today's best sub\sat packages.

    NC.
     
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    Hi NC,

    I'm getting a demo of these hopefully this week. I really wanted them to sound great, as I love the look of them, but at 50% more than the Genie's, they will have to be fantastic. I'm getting an audition through a Denon 3805 amp i'm getting at the same time, so I'll let you know what they are like.
     
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    Been given an in-depth demo of the m-cube system today. Spent 2 hours with my favorite DVDs and CDs at my installer and the bottom line is..... I'm replacing my Eggs next week with a 6.1 m-cube set.

    I've listened to 2 movies (crimson tide and ronin) as well as 2 CDs (classical and Lemar). The mission were just opened from a new box and setup in the demo room , which already had a set of Eggs (2005.2) , Elegante e82 and Bose AM15.

    The m-cube and the Eggs were connected at first to a 3805 AMP , which really let both systems down - sound was dull , non-dynamic and generally weak.

    As soon as the AMP was changed to an AX5Ai (like the one I own) , things improved dramatically. I've tried the Eggs and the m-cubes at the same time , switching from one system to the other at various scenes. The sound from the m-cube was fuller with more detail and warmth. on the car chase scenes in ronin the Eggs were better than the m-cubes and sounded more dynamic , however I assume that had the m-cubes been setup and tweaked properly on the AMP they would have sounded better.

    The rest was all m-cube including the music.

    at the end I got a fantastic deal for the swap so if all goes well , I'll have the m-cubes installed and setup next Saturday.

    I think it won't be long before the m-cubes take their place at the top of the list for anyone looking for a small sat\sub package.

    NC.
     
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    Unless you want 7 of them :devil:.
     
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    I had a demo of the M-Cube's on a 3805, along with a demo of the Genie's at another dealership. I have to give the M-cube's some credit, especially for detail, but the integration for me was really lacking. They seemed to lack some midrange, and this is when the sub seems to cut in and out. I was not such an issue with movies, but really showed up for me in CD's. I'm not sure if it was not set up correctly, but it was a very reputable dealerhip who always uses sound pressure monitors and the like, so I doubt it.

    The Genie's were another thing altogether, though. The integration was just so damn good. No booming, no 'sub-detection', no cut in. And it's crowning glory was the centre speaker - dialogue was so detailed and clean, yet warm and welcoming. I did however experience some flatness to sound like the Eggs (which I also had a demo of) and just a tiny lack of slam from the sub, but that could always been tweeked.

    You have no idea how much I wanted the Cube's because of how they looked, but at the end of the day, for me, the Genies just sound more complete.

    I did not get a chance to demo them on a Pio though, so i'll reserve judgement on that for now. The Genie's however slaughtered the Kef's, no problem at all.
     
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    That's great Neil , hope you got a good deal on the Genie package.

    The AMP made a LOT of difference for me , so I had to try out the speakers with the AX5Ai. Can't say much about the Genie's as I simply don't like them , but between the KEF and the M-Cubes I think the m-cubes has that bit of edge.

    It's all down to personal taste at the end.

    NC.
     
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    I kind of wished i'd tried the Pio Amp now, though. The reason i didnt was based on a recomendation of the deadlership when I explained my room layout, which is very harsh and clinical (think American phyco apartment, without the gore) so they told me to steer clear of the Pio. But thinking about it, I guess the Pio's will suite the cubes better than the denon. Anyway, it's done now - I'm sure we'll both enjoy our new speakers at the end of the day. Just wish the delivery man would hurry up....!
     
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    Sure.

    It will be interesting to see and read comments and reviews after the bristol show. I'm sure the m-cubes will attract a lot of attention , perhaps even more than the Genies... :devil:

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    NC11 I am interested in pairing the Mission M cubes with a Yamaha 750 but wanted to know what the brackets that are supplied with the speakers are like i.e size and build quality. The guy at Superfi were unable to show me them when I went to see them last week unless I purchased them there and then as they had to open the box.

    Cheers
     
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    ... that's what i'm worried about..! I read the glowing report in What Hifi this month and they love the Cubes. I'd be intrested to hear other mag's comments as well though. Intrestingly, the caption to the photo of the review said "We can not wait to do a head-to-head of the Cube's against the Genie's"

    So then, it's war....!
     
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    I still don't understand how these are set up, if the sub is doing the amplification, surely the amp doesn't do much, it only acts as a decoder? No amplification as such?

    Are the sats connected to the amp or the sub?
     
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    KAZER - I haven't seen the brackets yet , however according to the brochure these are like a U shape where the sat "sits" on 1 leg of the U (hope it makes sense...). There seem to be quite a significant tilting option as well. I sure hope the build quality of the brackets is as good as the speakers. The brackets are supplied with the package , just like the KEF Eggs ones are.

    KAZMAN - I'm not so sure about the amplification and such , I'm no expert. I am sure though that the sats r all connected to the sub , and there is a connection block supplied between the sub and the AMP. Like I mentioned before , changing the AMP from a 3805 to an AX5Ai made a LOT of difference to the sound both in movies and music.

    HTH.

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    Neithe MS nor Mission will be there which means the debate will rumble on awhile yet.
     
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    :eek: :eek: Why not??
     
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    The M-CUBE connects to the speaker outputs of an AV receiver using one umbilical cable that can carry up to six channels plus an LFE channel for the SUB out. The cubes can then be wired to the speaker terminals on the back of the amp.
    The reason for this is to simplify the wiring - the sub and cubes incorporate their own crossovers, so the sub needs a full range signal from all speaker channels as well as the line level LFE channel.

    We have tried the M-CUBE with a variety of AV amps and it works well.
    It is really easy load to drive, unlike many speaker systems, because the impedance load of the cubes is very straightforward.

    Those AV amps with auto-setup using a microphone will normally, correctly, set the speakers to LARGE (remember the cubes and sub contain their own crossover). Certainly the Pioneer does because one of our staff has one!

    Mr Mission
     
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    You may like to know that you can leave the interchangeable fabric off if you prefer to reveal the beautiful brushed aluminium underneath.

    Mr Mission
     
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    To put the record straight, the price of £1199 for the M-CUBE 5.1 system includes a pair of floor stands, wall brackets for three cubes and a set of OFC speaker cables.
    The floor stands normally retail for £199 a pair.

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    The brackets are L shaped and built from cast aluminium with precision, locking hinges for vertical and horizontal tilt. They are quite discreet.

    Mr Mission
     
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    The M-CUBE system IS on demo in rooms 409/410 with the SIM2 projectors and screens. Have a listen.

    Mr Mission
     
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    For simplicity and neatness it is easiest to connect the speaker outputs to the sub through the supplied umbilical cable which then passes the output directly through to the cubes. The amplifier in the sub ONLY powers the subwoofer, there is a direct pass-through to the cubes which have their own built-in crossover.

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