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    Hello There does anybody out there know of a shop who sells the above amp on interest free credit for 36 months as I have looked everywhere :(
     
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    Very doubtful. There are only a select number of dealers who can get the AX10 now that Pioneer have created a new dealer agreement for those that want to stock it. This dealer agreement by Pioneer stipulates that the dealer must create a programmed order which will be sent them every month whether they sell anyhting or not. Part of this programmed order is at least one AX10Ai per month as a minimum for tha product. That then means that unless the dealer sell one a month they are stuck with a pile of £2500 receivers. As you can imagine a lot of dealers have not agreed to this (including my own shop) as there are lots of other competetive products on the market from other suppliers who do not require us to take on such a heavy financial burden. I hope that clears the situation up for you. Also due there being a lack of dealers able to get their hands on an AX10Ai the one that do keep are are far less likely to discount the product at all as and such are not likely to offer any interest free terms on this product as the amount of money it costs the dealer to do so is tantamount to discounting the product.
     
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    So...any dealer that wishes to stock this amp must sell at least one a month? If they don't, then Pioneer won't deal with them? Are Pioneer so arrogant to think their product is so much better than other's out there at that price? It's a competetive market...and if they use tactics like this then I hope the product bombs, regardless of how good it might be.
     
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    Best bet would be Sevenoaks. If you want to try a web-firm, techtronics (www.techtronics.com/) are a reputable firm (made their name with making DVD players multiregion) and they list the Pioneer AX10Ai as stock they can get.

    Both advertise that they can do 0% interest...
     
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    Would recommend doing a search on this forum & uk.media.home-cinema for "Techtronics" ;)
     
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    Techtronics Has Just Gone Bust
     
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    Shockabuku

    Pioneer UK are not doing anything most other HiFi and AV companies have been, are implementing or are planning on doing - there are pluses and minuses to the system.

    I believe Denon UK are next in line to 'reorganise the channel' so expect to see some of the top end Denon kit 'harder' (read not impossible) to get from anywhere other than a Denon 'approved' specialist.

    Best regards

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    does anybody own or listened to this pioneer amp
     
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    Chewbacca i had a listen to this amp a few weeks ago when i was haveing a dem for a sub and it does sound good, not as good as my Z9 though ;)

    John :)
     
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    I'm hoping in the next few weeks or so to demo the VSA-AX10AI-S and the Denon AVCA1SRA. I was not considering the Yammy because I believe, unlike the other two, it only has an output for a single centre rear speaker and I have recently reinstaled my older pair of KEF 70s's for that function, I have a pair of KEF 34DS's for the surround sides. hence I want 7:1 and not 6:1. But my main concern is the quality of the stereo reproduction. I'm sure the afored mention two will blow my mind away with their various surround capabilities. I now just have to save up the pennies, or should I say pounds. :)
     
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    Hi Taximan,

    The Z9 is an THX Ultra 2 amp so it will have 2 connections for rear speakers ;)

    John :)
     
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    Hiya Recruit, I was aware that the Yammy had an additional pair of front effect speakers but I was led to believe that it only had a single output for the surround back and therefore I may well be corrected on this point. Never the less can anyone else confirm or deny this query. This is with all due respect to you Recruit. Thanks for any replies. :thumbsup:
     
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    Hello Taximan,

    I am running a pair of M&K K15's for my rear surround's and CS29's for the left & right surrounds :thumbsup:

    John :)
     
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    Thankyou for your reply Recruit, it now looks like I will be adding the Z9 to my demo list. As I said my caveat is more on the quality of the straight stereo reproduction that will ultimately decide on my choice of amp. But i'm sure that all three of these AV monsters will sound, as near as dammit, awesome in Dolby dig (EX), DTS (ES) and all the other surround variants, on those points i'm sure I won't be dissapointed. Thanks once again. :)
     
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    What differences are they between the Z9 and the pioneer I have never owned a Yammy but have had excellent results with Pioneer amps in the past What would You guys and girls go for regarding Yammy Pioneer or Denon
     
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    Just received my new German Stereoplay, there's a comparison where this expensive beast gets very good notes (well it should for THIS kind of money) except for stereo sound quality- uneven frequency range and slightly harsh!
    The Rotel set was even worse!
    I would NEVER buy a Jap receiver now as most attention seems to go to gadgetry- my Denon 3805 even had TWO direct modes! :suicide: and LCD killing switching is easier implemented than an audiophile sound character...
    I would consider the Arcam or wait for the new Marantzes.
    And as for room EQ: never missed it as my Denon turned my wonderful KEF Reference speakers in flat sounding planks, plussing and minusing the EQ up to 8 dB!
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    Hi Chewbacca

    I bought this Pioneer last week and love it!!!
    I`ve had all 3 versions of the AX10 and this is definitely the best.

    Every time Pioneer have changed this amp they have improved it not by a little but a lot.

    This version is better because it is now cleaner, tighter and feels more powerful all at the same time.

    As for the previous guy`s doubts on an amp like this`s music performance.. well personally I am delighted because this version`s biggest improvement is with music.

    I have an Arcam CD82T for cd and it sounds simply sublime. I also have the Pioneer 868i DVD and that is even better with DVD-A and SACD (although not CD).

    I`ve not heard the Yamaha Z9 so can`t comment, but I think this Pioneer is incredible quality and value for money.I also consider Pioneer are ahead of the game and I also like the fact that the original design is basically the same allowing for upgrading and proof that they got it right 1st time.

    If I were you I`d audition all three and get a seperate loan if the shop won`t give you a good interest rate.

    Good luck though.
     
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    They got it right first time but yet you just upgraded to the new one :confused: :smashin:
     
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    Compared to every other model being completely redesigned every 5 minutes yes they got it right 1st time.
     
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    Thanks Glen I hope to be going to Sevenoaks before the end of the month to listen to the Pioneer I also agree with You I did hear the 1st model and Pioneer did get it right in My opion I have always felt that other manufactures are always trying to catch up.
     
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    That must be quite expensive to keep buying the latest model :eek:

    What do you do with your old models - do you trade them in or sell them?
     
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    Chewbacca,

    I would give the Z9 and the Denon a go just to confirm though as i was going to buy either the HK 8500, Pioneer VSX AX10 , Denon A1SRA but walked out with the Z9 as i thought the sound was alot nicer than the others,and i as i mentioned before i have heard the new Pioneer and still don't think it is as nice soundeing as my Z9.
    Just my opinion though ;)

    John :)
     
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    @ Glen Dowie:

    I'm "the guy" you refer to (I have a name you know... :nono: ).
    I understand this thread is for Pioneer aficionados only, so I'd better say:
    The 10ai is SWELL, the BEST there is, go buy it!
    Happy now?
    Seriously:
    If a receiver THAT expensive needs a major upgrade to improve on the sound there clearly was (is?) something wrong with it...don't take ANYTHING you read in the press for granted is my motto...
    And, why not include dvi/hdmi switching in a major upgrade?
    Barend
     
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    Hello Barend

    Pioneer Japan like every other big brand manufacturer are constantly tweaking products - if they didn't they wouldn't sell any or be the size of a small HIFI company!

    The tweaking on the top end gear pays dividends further down the product range - see the NEW VSX-AX5Ai for example.

    You ask for HDMI switching on an AV Receiver - does anyone have full spec multiple HDMI Input blocks available that you could fit on the back panel of an already busy AV Receiver?

    Best regards

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    PS Anyone wanting HDMI switching we now have Gefen 2:1 and 4:1 HDMI switches in stock :)
     
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    1st off apologies Barend for not printing your name it was very late. As for your sarcassm on the amp, glad you LOVE Pioneer so much ;), but believe me I do view the press with great cynicism. Look at how many adverts a manufacturer has in any edition and take that off the 5 stars.

    I was advised once to go for products that get a good rating in a lot of magazines and I`ve NEVER seen a bad review on the AX10 (any version). Truth is though most products now are very very good.

    Hi Tejstar, I`ve been very lucky as before I purchased the 1st one I rang Pioneer for info on the forthcoming MKII and hence told the shop I`d wait for that. The manager furious at a potential lost sale rang Pioneer who agreed to give me the MKII FOC if I bought the MKI there and then! :thumbsup:

    I`ve since traded my MKII for the MKIII through a bit of negotiation (had to buy the 868) at no further cost to me :thumbsup:

    It is a pain that the manufacturers have made us all so hungry for "the next thing" and I`m the world`s worst! but how else will they keep selling there wares and the upside is the kit gets better and cheaper at an alarming rate.

    Listen to anything 1st and would definitely listen to Yamaha as not heard that, Denon A1SRA did`nt impress me though.
     
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    Sounds like a good deal there, especially as the 868 is a cracking DVD player :smashin:
     
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    I have to be honest, I too was a bit miffed that there wasn't any kind of HDMI/DVI switching on the new Pionner amps too :(
     
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    As stated in my earlier posts in the next few weeks i'm going to demo, funds allowing, the latest Pioneer AX10 the Denon Avca1sra, and now the Yammy Z9, as i've been told by Recruit that it does have the outputs for two rear effect speakers. The Pioneer had a cracking write up by Alvin Gold in Home Cinema Choice, but so did the updated Denon, and when the Yammy came out its' surround quality was stated as being very good, basically as good as the other two. But I believe its' stereo reproduction may not, and I do state may not, be on par with the others. Of course this is down to personal taste. I'm not one of these guys who upgrade on a regular basis, partly due to the fact that I do not see the need to change for every small improvement that comes along, and partly due to the fact that little things like family comes first, oh yeah and the mortgage plus running my one man business. Given all that, and bearing in mind that I will not be changing the amp for quite a while, I need to make sure by listening very carefully with my own cd's, for the quality of the stereo reproduction as that is my main criteria. The surround options on all the amps i'm sure, will be nothing less than awesome especially given what I have at the momement. My present set up, apart from the other units in the system, being a Luxman LV 105 amp, upon which some of the rear inputs are now a little loose, partnered with a Yammy DSP E200 processor. It works ok, but by todays standards of course the surround set up is pretty well bog standard. I have all the speakers set up and ready for the replacement AV amp, and apart from the sub, which is a REL Storm 3, all are various models from the KEF reference series range. So it should sound pretty neat when all is up and running. God help the wife. :laugh:
     
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    Sounds like you are going to love whichever one you go for out of these models compared to what you`re using now.

    My main concern was with music as films aren`t so fussy and on my 1st demo, Pioneer didn`t impress as shop used a dvd player for cd. I almost then went for ArcamAV8/P7 until a new dealer linked Pioneer with an Arcam cd and wow!

    This latest model MUST be heard with the 868 with DVD-A/SACD on i-link. I`ve spent the last hour using it that way and it is trully bl**dy awesome! CD is fantastic too but only with an Arcam or dedicated cd player.

    My mate (who`s heard all 3 amps) said the sound was by far the best and couldn`t imagine it getting any better (ditto Alvin Gold).

    As for HDMI switching I haven`t got round to the display side yet but would probably connect directly anyway. They`ll be a MKiV version out soon, that`ll be sure to have it!
     
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    Interesting to read your imput. When it comes to cd I would only want to listen through a dedicated player anyway. At the momement I have a Marantz cd 63se, but like parts of my set up it is a few years old and now has the habit, on the odd occasion of skipping, much like a stylus jumping a groove. This really can be annoying if you are doing some serious listening, especially to classical music. This will be changed in time, possibly to the Marantz 17KI mk3. I like Marantz's :)

    As I said I don't change equipment for the sake of it unless the item has gone belly up and is not worth repairing, or the advances in technology have moved on far enough to warrent replacement, and of course when I have the spendoolies. There is no question that home cinema sound has gone forward to the point that it is worth me going for it. Much to the chagrin of my better half. I can't wait.......wifey can. :rolleyes:
     

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