Pioneer Plasma Predicament!

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  1. Powelly131

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    Hi all,
    I'm in a bit of a quandry about which Pio plasma to buy! I have been offered an ex demo SXE from my local dealer for £1650, or should I wait for the 7th generation panel. I had hoped that What Hi Fi would clear up the issue this month, but although the new screen gets a glowing review, it says to also consider a 6th gen panel at a knockdown price!!
    :suicide:
    What do you reckon?
     
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    £1650 isn't a huge discount - But it depends if you can wait or not...
     
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    I would never buy an ex demo.
    But that's just me...
     
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    At that price I would be holding out to see how the new panels perform. They have a number of new features and I have been told by someone who has worked on a stack of them already that they are an improvement over the old model.

    Neil
     
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    dont forget the sly hd issue on the pio
     
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    What Hi-Fi gave the Pioneer a glowing review?!?! I can hardly believe it.... :rotfl:
     
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    I think you would have to be out of your mind to buy a demo screen unless they give you at least 50% off the current going price (not the list price) and include a 5-year warranty.
    Even then I would think twice.
     
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    I'd too never by an ex-demo... I am sure some folks have had John Lewis price match the SXE to 1700ish for a brand spanking new one with the famous 5 year warranty...

    The new 7th gen Pioneers 427 etc use NEC panels are 42 rather 43 inch and are built down to a price... not sure if they will continue with the SXE models?

    cheers
     
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    It's true, What Pioneer, sorry What Hi-Fi give every Pio a rave review, you have to ask why, also why have they not reviewed the Fuji 58 series, nothing to do with advertising revenue I'm sure.
     
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    I think that is to with which market the Fujitsu is aimed at... its not (from memory) a TV but classed as commercial display panel. Much like the Pioneer MXE is...

    cheers
     
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    Probably because Pioneer make the best plasmas on the market, bar none.
    Look at the other brands and they all have something wrong. But not Pioneer, except perhaps the recent temporary problem with retention on screens that weren't properly run in.

    I put a Pioneer in for someone two years ago and it still looks better than any other brand of screen I have ever seen.

    If only they were cheaper. (And if they were all the other manufacturers would be out of business.)
     
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    Is Panny the best bang for buck ?
     
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    For the price I don't think you would go far wrong with a Panasonic 60 or 600 series, though it might be worth waiting until next month to see how much the new series Pioneers will actually sell for.

    The LG42PC is also a real bargain for anyone on a tight budget.
     
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    if pio are so good why have they started to use nec panels?
    you would have thought nec whould have used pio panels if
    they were the best around aconamise of scale would have
    made the pio panels cheaper to produce if nec were using
    them aswell.

    as for what hifi they always mark pio up because they are a hifi
    manufacturer as such they have built a good relationship over
    the years with them. could also have something to do with them
    giving them the panels when the have done with review, anyone
    for a new screen.

    good pio review = free pio plasma:thumbsup:
     
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    It is not true to say that What Hi Fi always give a good review for Pioneer kit. They gave one of the FDEs a right slating a year or so ago, and the DVDs and Receivers sometimes get poor reviews. Also the Pioneer plasmas seem to get good reviews in the other mags as well.

    Having said all that, I would never buy something just on the basis of one magazine review. Personally I would look for a consensus between several reviews, opinion here and on other forums (fora??) and most importantly demonstrations of properly set up kit. The latter is very difficult for plasmas in particular, unless you are prepared to pay the premium for uising a specialist dealer with proper demo facilities and the skill and knowledge to do it well (including run in). In my view a (reasonable) premium is worth it to make the right choice...

    Mind you I am still trying to choose my first plasma so what do I know!!

    Cheers!
     
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    I think you may find that pioneer has been using NEC glass in there 42" MXE commercial displays for quiet some time...
    Maybe someone more in the know can confirm if this is true or not..
     
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    To say that Pioneer make the best plasmas on the market is a rather silly and sweeping statement to make. Probably as daft as me saying that Fujitsu make the best plasma. The best product for one person is not the best product for another, as manufacturers will have different styles, price points, etc. The What Hi-Fi review did cover another panel that did not include a tuner, therefore you cannot say that they are only looking at "tvs" and not including panels. Interestingly, they also decided to award the Samsung top marks and made it the winner of their 50" test.

    I would suggest that you can read as many magazine reviews as you want, bring all those reviews together and still not have a sufficient basis upon which to make a decision. The ONLY way to make the right decision is to go and see the different panels that you have narrowed your choice down to and try and ensure that they are using the same source (take your own source along). Trust your own eyes and not the possibly biased reviews of others.
     
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    Pioneer have started using NEC panels due to market forces. People want cheaper products and slapping in a low cost panel is one way for them to compete. Basically building it down to a price.

    They get to keep their highly regarded panels for the premium end of the enthusiast market.

    With both markets covered they get (in theory) a larger market share.

    As for NEC using Pioneer panels... I don't think NEC make TV's or panels for mass market these days?

    cheers
     
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    Yes, especially when it comes to other brands. The other brands are cheaper and they all have faults. Perhaps because they are built down to a price, I don't know. The Pioneers are more expensive and don't have anywhere near the number of faults. They are the best all round in that price range, no doubt about it. But you pay for that.

    So if you have the money and want the best all-round picture on SD and HD, then buy a Pioneer. You won't go wrong.

    If you don't have the money for a Pioneer then buy something cheaper, and choose the brand according to which type of fault annoys you least.

    I shall be doing exactly that, and I hope that I will be able to afford the Pioneer.

    No big deal here, surely?
     
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    So what faults do the panny 42px60 and 42px600 have you know of,,,over the pioneer plasma's to make these pannys so much cheaper then a pioneer plasma??
     
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    You get what you pay for when buying a display and Pioneer demonstrates this completely. The pio is more expensive than rival panels but its the real deal and doesnt compromise on any area's! :thumbsup:

    I bought the 436xde because the picture was fantastic for both HD and SD. Nothing beats it for looks either! *boos the nasty-silver panny's* :D
     
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    I don't think the image processing is of as good quality on the Panasonics. Notably the deinterlacing. Also they are not as good for SD material.

    There are a few other more minor issues that are well covered in the topics for those screens. I can't say that they would affect me much personally.

    All that said, the Panasonic 42px600 is very high on my list of suitable screens and in fact would probably be my choice if I can't find a Pioneer at a suitable price. Currently where I am the 42PX600 is about £1400 and the 436SXE is about £400 more, so quite a difference.

    I will wait and see what the new Pioneer series brings next month.
     
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    where have you seen the px600 for £1400??
     
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    Whats the fault on the Fujitsu 58 series then? And the Panasonic PHD8?

    The Pioneers have suffered awful retention faults (voltage issues and others etc) and also the big Sky HD HDMI fault - but you get what you pay for!
     
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    I'll second the above ;)
     
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    I can't comment on the Fujitsu as it isn't sold where I am.

    The PHD8's most obvious fault is that it isn't a TV and so you have to buy a whole load of extra bits to do the jobs that it doesn't do. Given that many of the faults on TVs are in these extra bits it doesn't seem fair to compare a screen that doesn't have them built-in to one that does.
     
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    8 months on and can say with hand on heart the pioneer 436 i bought was one of the best investsments ive ever made, ok it cost alot, but you get what you pay for and in the pio's case....you get alot !!:thumbsup:
     
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    I paid £3500 for my Pioneer when it first came out and I cant fault it, the Sky HD man said they are the best tvs for the sky hd PQ (admitedly this could have been cause I had one) a lot better than the Sony tvs that sky are doing Sky HD in a package with.
    Its very good for SD pictures on the separate Pioneer freeview tuner that came with the set and of course dvd and Sky HD are superb.

    My biggest worry is Iv noticed that Pioneer are stopping making the panals with separate tuner box , as I have mine on the wall when it comes to upgrading I dont fancy half a dozen cables going up the wall
     

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