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Pioneer PDP-433HDE - How good should it be straight out of the box

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  1. androidgb

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    I have today taken delivery of the above which was a dealer replacement for my Phillips 42PF9952 which failed after 28months (display)

    I was expecting to see a big improvement over the Phillips, but am somewhat dissapointed.

    My question is, "Can I expect much of an improvement from the adjustments I can make ?"

    Any advice appreciated
     
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    Hi

    sorry to hear your not happy with your purchase, it must be quite a nightmare after spending this kind of money

    I cant imagine what the problem is apart from the settings are completly wrong, or you have managed to get a Duff model. Empire Direct in Bradford have a whole bunch of Plasma,s sat side by side. and the Pioneer stands out, and other customers have commented the same

    I recently gave the HDE a real good road test and for my money it has the best picture That I have seen on a Plasma

    I have not had chance to see a Pioneer MXE or the NECmp3 so I Obviously cannot comment on those, but The Philips colours are nowhere near as vibrant as the Pioneer.

    hope you get sorted
     
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    I currently have a 433 mxe.
    Before purchasing I looked at the hde in two different retailers.Unfortunately I wasn't happy with the picture.There was noise on everything I watched.
    It could have been connections or the sources,but both sets were bad enough for me not to want to buy.
    To put it into perspective,on dvd or sky, the picture wasn't as good (by some margin) as my sony KP44 r/p.
    After buying the mxe the picture is very good.No Noise.
    I'm happy
    Regards
    Simon
     
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    Hi Party Animal, thanks for your comments.

    Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the picture is that bad, it's just that I have heard good things about the Pioneer, and being 2 and a half years on from the Phillips, I expected to see a significant improvement.

    It's funny when I saw the TV in the store I wasn't that impressed with the picture and the salesman agreed that they hadn't seemed to be able to get it right. You must be thinking, "what the hell did you buy it for then ?". But as I mentioned it was a stright replacement for the dead Phillips with no money changing hands on my part.

    One of the things I've noticed is it seems more critical with the content, using Sky Digital as a source, some of the older shows esp. of USA origin look particularly bad. I wasn't aware of this with the Phillips.

    I've tried a DVD and again I wasn't bowled over.

    I usually view my DVD's with a DLP projector which i'm relatively happy with.

    I'll start playing with the settings and see how it goes, I just wondered if anyone had experienced similar problems
     
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    Hi Johnson, thanks for your reply.

    Can you tell me what the difference is between the HDE and the MXE.

    Also, I'm a novice on these things, can you explain what you mean by noise ? . I'd like to see if that is what I am experiencing

    Many thanks
     
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    Hi Johnson
    did you manage to actually roadtest the MXE before you bought it, as most dealers (the poorer ones) dont even know the MXE exists

    I really do like the Pioneers, and the idea of me spending nearly £5000 without see-ing it, is not a nice thought.

    but if the picture on the MXE is what Johnson says it is,

    I will definatly check it out.

    one other point I have a Unicol HDE wall mount here, does it fit both the HDE and MXE 43" Models
     
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    Hi
    I didn't get to test the mxe before purchase.Brand new model and dealers only selling hde in my area.
    After I saw the first hde I wasn't going to buy one,but I was assured the mxe was much better.
    I saw the second hde after my mxe was on order,it was pretty much exactly the same as the first quality wise.I wouldn't have bought either.
    The first dealer had the hde and the panasonic.The panny was better.
    I found the picture to have ringing( similar to if the sharpness was too high,but it was turned down)
    Also if you displayed any of the menu pages the solid colors of the menu had wavy lines(horizontal) constantly running down them(the mxe has none of these)
    The differences between the two models that I know of are;
    The mxe has 10bit video processng(hde 8bit)
    The mxe has true 75ohm bnc inputs( the hde has scarts or rca)
    The hde has a Sharp sourced media box(possible source of noise?)
    The mxe has DVI input
    The mxe has the integrator mode with orbiter ,inverse,full mask etc burn reducers.
    Most importantly for me the mxe has the same open slot arcetecture as the 503mxe(third party manufacturers can make cards of different designs for these panels) two cards are presently available with more to come,allowing different inputs and internal scalers/deinterlacers.
    Also the mxe accepts Pal prog the hde doesn't
    Regards
    Simon
     
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    Hi Simon,

    Thanks for taking the trouble to give such a full reply.

    I've spoken to my dealer, who has been absolutely brilliant and is happy to supply something else.

    However he had no knowledge of the MXE, This is John Lewis BTW not specialist dealers.

    Just 1 more question (2 really) Is the MXE available inthe UK and what should I expect to pay ?
     
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    This much? TMF
     
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    Andriod..

    I've recently purchased a 433hde and it was fine straight out of the box. However, I've come from a philips 32 inch crt.
    My config is a davs-550 connected to the media box via component out.
    Sky is connected to the media box via SCART.
    The dvd picture is great and the sky is exceptable, certainly no worse than my CRT. I was watching the Liverpool newcastle match last night and was not overly happy with the picture, but it's not good on my crt either. I don't know what Sky do with live events! Maybe it's my PACE digi-box..

    So, I'm happy with my purchase, whether or not it's 3500 quid better than a CRT...hmm. However, it looks good on the wall right..?!
     

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