Pioneer PDP-428XD - best place to buy?

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  1. Simon Young

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    I'm 90% certain I'm going to buy one of these babies before the week is out, and it'd be great to have it delivered by the weekend. Unfortunately my local John Lewis only stock the 4280XD, and they refused to price-match against Sound & Vision Online, saying they didn't have prices on display in-store. :(

    I could just order it from S&V directly, but I'd miss out on the free in-store five year warranty. I'm in Cambridge and the nearest store is hours away, so going there in person is not an option. Very few electronics stores seem to stock the 428XD - only its cheaper sibling. The ones that do are AV specialists and tend to charge considerably more.

    If I buy online, where do people recommend? I'd ideally like the cheapest, but I'm willing to pay a little extra if the service is good and the delivery fast. If I buy from the high street, are there any good offers or tips I should look out for?
     
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    Also ask them about an Xdtra( or summat!) card, should be £20 and you get a three year warranty.
    If you go instore like I did, you could even negotiate the £20 away:thumbsup:
     
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    If you buy in-store you should still be able to get the Pioneer 5-year warranty. I think the offer's been extended to the end of the month. I got mine from an ED branch in London and got the 5 year warranty.
     
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    Fuzzy's right. ED Nuneaton also offered the Pioneer warranty if you buy in store, though they said they had to track down some vouchers to be stamped. I wondered if you'd considered these options though:

    (1) RGB have the 428 bundled with the nice T25B swivel stand for 1620. Probably not their in store price, but it's still a good one. Digitial point (Birmingham) have the same deal for 1650 if memory serves me right.

    (2) go to any o the local retailers listed on Pio site and negotiate a 428 with warranty for 1500 (ED only do the bundle for 1700). Then buy the cheaper stand that normally goes with the 4280 from (eg) Sound and Vision, for around 100 quid. So you've got the warranty and basic stand for 1600 (ish).

    (3) pricematch a 4280 with JL and get this for 1400 or slightly less (see JL thread) I know it's the more basic set, but the only way of getting true peace of mind as the Pioneer warranty is good but not as good as JL or D&G.
     
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    Hmm, in a bit of a dilemma and need to make a decision fast! RGB Direct will do me the 428XD with the more expensive tilt/swivel stand, manufacturer's 5-year warranty and delivery for £1754 all in. It's more than I'd like to have paid as I was originally looking at the 4280XD for £1400 delivered! Still, I'd rather have the 428XD for its ability to be calibrated, and this deal saves me the hassle of ordering the cheaper stand from a different online retailer. Plus, 5-year Pioneer warranty - I dunno, it's tempting but still a lot of money.

    On the surface it's a good deal - isn't it? :confused:

    P.S. they are pressuring me to buy because they've only got limited stock apparently, and then it's gone there'll be no more free warranty. :eek:
     
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    I went into my local PRC in Ilford in the new year and they offered me the 428XD (without the stand) for £1500 with the 5 year warranty. It was a really good offer and I was seriously tempted. However, I needed the stand and couldn't stretch to £1600. I'm happy with the 4280XD and think I got the best tv for my budget.
     
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    Interesting...I wonder if PRC Ilford would offer me the same deal in store? I'd certainly be tempted. £100 cheaper than the cheapest alternative? Yes please!
     
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    Nice one fuzzy. After all, I decided to go the same route for roughly the same reasons, I suspect. Will be interesting to compare notes on the set as they bed in? What source are you using, by the way? OP: mate, don't get too sucked into this deal making thing. It's bad for the health (and probably soul as well). Sort out your budget and a fixed time-frame to make the decision, and then bite the bullet. Otherwise you could spend half your life on this forum (though it's fun here as well :D). Don't forget also that you have to find enough cash left over a source that either model deserves and some films. Anyway, IMHO RGB could do better than that. Perhaps you'd be better off ringing somewhere that do not have such a discrepancy between internet and shop prices (absurd in my view). I've heard Sound and Vision (Bolton) do not, and do the 428+25B for 1650; ED do the combo for 1700 with 5 year warranty; and, as Fuzzy says, a bit of patience and haggling skills will surely get you a 428 on its own for 1500. Still, when you look at it, the gap between the cheapest and most expensive of these is only going to be 6% of the screen's value or 6 films or half (all?;) of a Tosh HD player. Just in case you live near Coventry, the best local deal with 5-year I've seen 'pre-haggle' is 1550 at TTC Broadcast.
     
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    Excellent advice! I've decided not to go with RGB because they were slightly more expensive than I was hoping, and were pressuring me to put a deposit down. I'm trying to steer clear of Sound and Vision, because AFAIK they are the same company as Digital Direct, with whom I had terrible trouble trying to return a 427XD. As I'm in London on business tomorrow, I'll probably pop down to PRC and see if they'll do me the 428XD without stand (but with five year warranty) for £1500. If the answer is yes, I'll buy it then and there. If not, I will try to heed your sage advice and find another reasonable deal. To be honest, I don't really want the tilt/swivel stand (even if it is glossy). I'm going to sit my centre speaker directly in front of and below the display, so it won't make a difference what stand I'm using.
     
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    Well, PRC have offered me the 428XD with five year warranty for £1550, plus a small delivery charge because I can't transport it home in my car. I think I'll be buying it this afternoon, provided they get more stock in this afternoon as promised! :thumbsup:
     
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    Simon, that's a very decent price, particularly with the five-year warranty. Now seems as good a time as any to buy, especially with the 5 year warranty deal expiring at the end of the month. If you can, try and make sure it's transported upright. I'm very surprised at RGB as they are PRC's sister company. I have always been more comfortable dealing with PRC though. They're on my local high street and I've talked to the guys in there a few times. They know their stuff and hopefully you won't have any problems.

    Edward, I've got my 4280XD hooked to Sky+ via Scart, a PS3 via HDMI and a Toshiba HD-EP30 via HDMI. So far, thanks to ********' settings on the Pioneer 8G Owners's Thread, I'm a very happy camper. It's done about 100hrs so far and I find myself constantly doing little tweaks here and there:D So far it's great on all sources. Sky+ looks as good as I've seen it look on a flat screen. The other night I put on Over The Hedge through the EP30 upscaler. It became a window to another world. I've never seen a normal DVD look so good. Casino Royale looked stunning on Blu Ray. Even my folks were impressed when they came round to visit, which was unusual. Usually they just complain about how much I spend on gadgets:thumbsup: If you haven't got Transformers on HD DVD, then get it. IT LOOKS AMAZING on the Pioneer. Watching it made me feel like a giddy schoolchild. I'm even happier knowing that the experience will get better once I get some decent Scart and HDMI cables. At the moment I'm using the bog standard Sky one which isn't very good.

    Now all I need to do is get the Onkyo hooked up when I get a day off. Happy days:rotfl:
     
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    Thanks for the update Fuzzy. Transformers it is. I'm getting the 4280 delivered on Saturday and am more than a little excited. Just have to dispose of my TV first. Have bought Heroes Season 1, Bladerunner, and filled my Amazon rental list with HD-DVD titles to get myself going. I quite fancy one of those Onkyo's myself, actually. And a Rel. And a PS3, as I guess you have also form the Casino Royal comment. Though maybe a pay rise is needed first. Anyway, thought you deserved another 'thanks' for your good + informative posts eg to Simon and myself. It's nice to emerge the other side of the Fuzzy period...:)!
     
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    Success! Bought the 428XD from PRC Direct in Ilford for £1590 including five-year warranty and delivery this Saturday. The chaps in there were incredibly friendly and helpful, and we had a good chat before I committed. 5/5 service! Came home and ordered the PDK-TS27 stand for £110 from Stuff-uk.net, also arriving Saturday. Finally, ordered an HDMI cable and a component cable from Mark Grant, hope these will turn up on Saturday also. And to top it all off, my LOST Season 3 Blu-ray box-set turned up from MovieTyme today! :clap:

    Thanks to everyone for their helpful input, especially Fuzzy! I'll let you chaps know how I get on. :smashin:
     
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    Simon, congrats on your 428XD!! Like you said in another thread, it's not the cheapest deal out there but with the five year warranty and the good service it seems you got from the guys at PRC, you seem very happy. You'll have to let us know how you get on when you're all set up. Looks like you're set for a Lost marathon. The 8G Owners' Thread is a good read if you have the time (you'll need a solid week) and don't forget to check out ********' settings in the first post. Do you think you might get it calibrated down the line? I'm also thinking of following your lead and getting a few cable from Mark Grant. His stuff has been recommended by quite a few people.

    Edward, the 4280 and the XE1 sounds like a great combination. I've heard the upscaler on the XE1 is a definite cut above. You'll have to let me know how it looks. I'm definitely thinking about getting Blade Runner on HD. I might try and get the 5 disc US version at some point. My EP30's done good service so far and it looks like there might be a few bargains around with the way the format war is going - there could yet be a brightside. I've managed to tweak my picture quality to be even better by getting a good Scart cable and changing a few settings. Sky+ looks even better now thanks to the guys on the cables forum. Watched and episode on Lost on Sky Two last night and it looked noticeably better. Also, at some point I might try and solve my envy for the 428XD by getting a decent universal remote for all my gear. The number of remotes is getting stupid:rolleyes: Like yourself, I wasn't really an enthusiast until recently. This tv has definitely enhanced that. It does having a dizzying array of settings and features. If it wasn't for these forums, I wouldn't know half the stuff I do about it.

    Matr69, I had a very similar experience when shopping around for a flatscreen. I was all set to go for a 1080p LCD and started going around the shops looking at screens. However, everytime I stopped and looked a tv that I was impressed with, it turned out to be a plasma. Like you say, this forum also helped me to disprove the myths in my mind regarding all the old plasma traits. Also, I'm pretty sure all Mazdas are now v1.3 compliant:D

    Hopefully, everyone gets up and running ok over the weekend and gets a chance to report back. I'll be excited to hear what you guys think and, obviously, offer any help. It could all turn into a big Kuro love-in.
     
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    Yes, Blade Runner 5 disc is the one I ordered. Not sure how long Movietyme take to deliver, though. I'm envious of the Sky+ as I'm just using plain old Freeview and waiting until Virgin get their HD act together. I think the 428 remote is the thing I regret the most actually (time for a Harmony?:) but the ISF and line-out sub would be great also. The XE1 has a great remote. I've been playing with it today at SD and Ive got high hopes of the 4280-XE1 partnership. It's not quiet, mind, so there are always compromises. It is hackable, which, along with the price drop, made it for me as I've still got 50 odd R1s from my early DVD days. I've got a few cable options and it will be very interesting to compare notes on the TV settings....Happy days:thumbsup:

    The 5 year warranty was crucial for me on the 4280 (even though mine is JL not Pio). Even if everything goes well, it's real peace of mind. Finally, listen, my MX hasn't even got iPod connectivity so you can forget 5.1 - you have to keep your eye on the roads with these things anyway, otherwise you'll end in a ditch pdq. Finally, finally, I can't believe you're stuck on 4 'thanks' after the tips in this thread - OP are you listening?;)
     
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    Sounds good Edward. I'll have to check out Movietyme. The Harmony is a good suggestion. Hopefully it'd be compatible with my old TEAC cd deck. I lost the remote to it ages ago but it does give great playback - could be the perfect excuse.

    I do have a tinge of regret about my set's lack of ISF but it is only slight and fades every day. I honestly think that a really well set up 4280XD would be very close in picture quality to a calibrated 428XD, to the extent that most people wouldn't see much difference. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking calibration at all. I just think that with a bit of time and effort you can get a great picture without it. May be ignorance is bliss to a certain extent. Until I actually see a before (a well set up one) and after in the flesh, I can sleep easy.

    I think freeview is really good on these sets. I'm happy to switch to it if I'm recording stuff on Sky+. For some channels I actually find the PQ better than Sky. The weekend I got my set, I sat down and watched Sin City on BBC2 and was really impressed - obviously the Pio's deep blacks came in handy for that one. I only got Sky because of the special offer they were doing before Xmas to get a free Sky+ box (it was one of the refer a friend things) and their broadband and phone package. It works out decent value. I don't think Sky HD is worth the outlay at the moment - not until there are more free to view HD channels.

    You are a true gent mate, and thank you for your kind words. To be honest though, I only really been posting for a few weeks. Before that, I was one of the 'lurkers' who'd looks through all the threads for helpful tidbits and buying advice. I'm sure I owe my fair share of thanks to a lot of other people.
     
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    By the way chaps, I probably won't be by the internet this weekend - still waiting for my broadband starter kit from Sky:mad: But if you guys have any urgent problems, you can PM and I'll pass on my mobile no. Otherwise I'm sure you'll get plenty of help on here.
     
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    Nice one, Simon + Fuzzy. We'll be mixing it up with the old hands in the Pio 8G thread soon enough but it's good to have a few serious newbies to compare notes with at the start of the adventure. I'm really quite reassured bout your ISF comment, Fuzzie, I figured that it would be best to save the 300 quid for one of these super black Kuros when they come out in a few years. The flip side for Simon's 428, of course, is that you'll be able to get a good 2nd hand price in a few years because of its upgradability. But, hey, it's a great screen in whatever guise - I can't wait to see what it looks like with Transformers in a dark-ish room with ********-esque tweaking. Top weekend's viewing to all...:)
     
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    Personally, I can't wait to go through my DVD collection and see what some of my favourite movies look like upscaled! Raiders of the Lost Ark is top of my list to watch, along with Ratatouille. Of course I'll be checking out Spider-Man 3 and LOST on Blu-ray, but I'm fully expecting those to look mind-blowingly awesome.

    One small worry though - I've just done some more thorough measurements, and there's a definite possibility that my centre speaker will obscure part of the display when positioned in front of it (pretty much the only place it can go). I may have to buy the swivel stand in future for extra clearance, or raise up the TV on blocks or something. :mad:
     
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    Just paint the blocks black and I'm sure it'll still look the business!!:thumbsup:
     
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    I can definitely see myself wall-mounting one of those sexy super-thin Pio plasmas in a few years time. Bring it on:D
     
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    What about a decent cantilever stand, saw one set up in a shop the other day, looked absolutely(this word looks daft however I spell it?) superb IMO, this is my solution to the centre speaker issue?
     

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