What looks stunning to you? Competitors products are clearly rigged and 9G is still a far cry from extreme contrast concept.Absolutely stunning
go out and buy another tv (i suggest LG or samsung they are rigged
and they very cheap) ... you will save a lot of money when the extreme constrast will be outSo I can't say anything negative about Pioneer? I'll consider pros and cons before making my choice. At least the LCDs are rigged. The Samsung LED has deeper blacks than 8G in starfield scenes when set up properly.
No, it hasn't, at least not at the viewing angle shown in that photos...
You know, black level gets much worse with LCDs if you move away from the center of the screen...Yes it does, but only gradually. It isn't like super black and then super glow. There are some upcoming fixes to this issue like dynamic viewing angle that uses rgb leds, but I don't know if any manufacturers includes this tech to 2008 products.
That is impossible to show in a photograph on a screen. (unless that screen is a Pio 9G or something with even better black levels, in a completely controlled environment) The photos are only good at showing relative differences in black level, not absolute.
Don't do this. It has absolutely no meaning whatsoever.
Well if other displays are optimized for show room environment and Pioneer is optimized for black level performance, does the black level demo seem fair to you?
i guess we dont care because we reed the lab measurements of the first gen of kuros that destroy every other plasma/lcd tvin the back lavel/contrast ratio departement, so if the new gen of kuros would be just on par with the old ones, would destroy the competition; but i dont think the new models will be just on par with the old ones.Well if other displays are optimized for show room environment and Pioneer is optimized for black level performance, does the black level demo seem fair to you?
I guess you haven't read Samsung LCD measurements. The TV has infinite contrast, but 2007 implementation wasn't stable enough. And again I'll consider buying 9G, but I won't make any decisions based on few pictures.
ahahah...yap the one samsung declared a 500.000:1 contrast...with a full off screen we will get no light emitted; too bad that with something on the screen it the backs are the same dark grey lcd ones.
Well that is not quete true. There are 150000:1+ intracene contrast measurements for that Samsung, which means that display shows also something else than black. I think 1080P KUROs get something like 10000:1? And for that 2 million leds comment:
ehhhe don't send him back to f96so what we are talking about? if you think the f96 is so cool, buy that tv that would be a lot cheaper than new line of kuro
(but we all knows that's not true)
I think it was your claim that KURO crushes everything else on the market on contrast ratio measurements, which it clearly doesn't. F96 is buggy, so I won't consider buying it.
While the Samsung LCD's are a step in the right direction to compete with plasma on black level, there are still major flaws. On the present LED back lit LCD's the black level is not uniform and is significantly greyer around bright objects. In order to create uniform black LED's in the millions is needed which I don't think we'll see for a long time.
You don't need millions of leds for this, because human eye would see the halos anyway around bright objects. Try looking into bright light in the dark for example.
I can't remember the exact number, but you most certainly do need significantly more controllable LED area's than the screens have at present, which although possible is just not economical at the moment. Still a very promising backlight technology for the future though if OLED doesn't become commercially viable at large screen sizes.
i heard that the black of samsung's oled is browninsh
