Pioneer DVR-920HS

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by laser, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. laser

    laser
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Messages:
    986
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Ratings:
    +45
  2. steve k

    steve k
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2001
    Messages:
    703
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Ratings:
    +53
    Where can i get it in english dont read japaness
     
  3. Rasczak

    Rasczak
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2002
    Messages:
    21,702
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Warwick
    Ratings:
    +2,578
    The Pioneer 920 is inbound - it's been delayed a few weeks but should be arriving soon.
     
  4. laser

    laser
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Messages:
    986
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Ratings:
    +45
    Thanks Rasczak :smashin:
     
  5. laser

    laser
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Messages:
    986
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Ratings:
    +45
  6. micklen2

    micklen2
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2001
    Messages:
    12
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    1
    Location:
    ASCOT
    Ratings:
    +0
    I notice from the Japan site that the 920 has a 400gb hard disc, and the 720 has a 250gb. Yet in the UK this is 250 & 160.

    Why do we get inferior kit to the Japanees?
     
  7. peterc

    peterc
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    we don't have as much good stuff on tv as the jap guys..? heh ;-)
     
  8. Bosco

    Bosco
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    The same is true for the US, Panasonic E85 over there has a 120GB HDD compared to our 80Gb and it also has a EPG similar to sky+ or the Philips Guide Plus, lucky :censored:
     
  9. peterc

    peterc
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    is it possible to get the us firmware for uk machines..?
     
  10. Rasczak

    Rasczak
    Distinguished Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2002
    Messages:
    21,702
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    166
    Location:
    Warwick
    Ratings:
    +2,578
    The EPG used by Panasonic (and Sony) in the US is Guideplus. It was left off UK models due to insufficient bandwidth, i.e. it wasn't regarded as reliable enough. An unreliable EPG is useless - so I think they made the correct decision.
     
  11. peterc

    peterc
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    got any details on it? sounds like it may be an interesting read.. like how the epg data is transmitted and the like...?
     
  12. Bosco

    Bosco
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    - Rasczak, not that I don't believe you (from reading your advice on other threads you seem to know what you are talking about) but isn't guideplus exactly what Philips use in their machines? By all accounts that function seems to work well with them?

    In relation to US firmware, I don't think that it is possible to even get this and I for one would not attempt to flash my machine with it. If it is available and you decide to do it let us all know how you get on.
     
  13. peterc

    peterc
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    i love to give it a pop, i work with this kind of thing all day so it shouldn't be a problem, as long as i have a copy of the original uk firmware...
     
  14. Bosco

    Bosco
    Guest

    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0
    I suppose your first place to start looking is Google :D
     
  15. PhilipL

    PhilipL
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    3,839
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    103
    Ratings:
    +442
    Hi

    The question with the 920 is it simply the same analogue to digital circuits that are in use on the 220 up to the 720? Having seem the mess of analogue capture on these models compared to the best it can be (and was on their original flagship 7000 model), I would hope some improvement has been made to this latest top of range deck to justify the high price and bring back the quality that has been lacking since their first UK model.

    Anyone knows or have a picture of the internals?

    Regards

    Philip
     
  16. Moray M

    Moray M
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    84
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Bucks
    Ratings:
    +1
    With regards to the EPG: The DVR-920H does include the GuidePlus EPG built in and it does work in the UK. :)
     
  17. laser

    laser
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Messages:
    986
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Ratings:
    +45
    Totally agree. I bought a DVR-220S knowing it had a crappy tuner but as I only intended to record of Freeview I never use the analogue tuner and are happy with the rest of the 220S functionlity and recording of Freeview. However having recorded off the anlogue tuner to see how it compared with Freeview I think the quality is really dire (on my 42inch plasma anyway). If I'd bought this player expecting to use the analogue tuner I would have been most disappointed and returned it. If the 920S has the same tuner and you intend to record mostly analogue terrestial I wouldn't touch it. Hopefully Pioneer have addressed the tuner problem for the 920S.

    Roll on Pioneer recorder with built in Freeview
    :D
     
  18. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    I found this while looking for info on the 920H-S:

    "The high-end DVR-920H-S and DVR-720H-S incorporate the newly developed full digital circuitry "DianaCircuit" to deliver high-quality video playback and recording capabilities"

    Certainly suggests all is being kept digital including sound output via firewire for those amps that can support this. Also first review is available at this link, but is in French. Still, summary needs little translation really:

    http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/reviews...ry_id=501&taxonomy_id=62-125&title=DVR-920H-S

    I'll be trialling it against the 868i next week- anyone seen the 920 in action yet?
    Smollett
     
  19. PhilipL

    PhilipL
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    3,839
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    103
    Ratings:
    +442
    Hi

    The 720 in the UK contains the same circuitry as the 220 up, in Japan the 720 is a different model altogether looking like the 920.

    The problem with the current crop of recorders is the meagre analogue to digital conversion, especially from composite PAL material, if the 920 contains the same ADC circuit then no matter what happens in the digital stages it is still garbage in garbage out. S-Video and RGB in seem to be okay, and so most problems must arise from a cheap comb filter used for PAL composite. I have found this the case on the 3100/5100 models, and although some improvement, the current x20 models are not as good as they should or could be.

    Regards

    Philip
     
  20. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    Realistically though would anyone spending £1000+ on a DVD player/recorder be using composite signals?Seems like a very weak link in a pretty short chain!
    Cheers
    Smollett
     
  21. PhilipL

    PhilipL
    Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    3,839
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    103
    Ratings:
    +442
    Hi

    Well I think they might. Any use of the internal tuner is composite and transferring VHS footage is composite. For something of that price, and the fact that decent comb filters are only a few pounds, it would be disgusting if Pioneer just threw in the same cheap circuitry they have in all the other models.

    Of course your argument goes further, why spend £1000+ on this recorder when it doesn't even contain a digital tuner?

    Regards

    Philip
     
  22. Moray M

    Moray M
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    84
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Bucks
    Ratings:
    +1
    "anyone seen the 920 in action yet?"

    I have. :)
     
  23. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    And how was it Moray M?
     
  24. Moray M

    Moray M
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    84
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Bucks
    Ratings:
    +1
    It seems to do the job reasonably well. :)

    I am sure you will have fun comparingthe two units. :)
     
  25. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    You make a good point PhilipL, but I don't have a lot of VHS stuff to archive so had not considered that. One review of the 920H-S says it can only do 480p/526p (NTSC/PAL) and not upscale to 720p or 1080i. Bigger numbers always seem to be better, but I get confused here. With a normal DVD would a DVD player that is capable of the higher output create a noticeably better picture or do you need a high def DVD to really make use of this?
     
  26. Xstyle

    Xstyle
    Well-known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2004
    Messages:
    3,496
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Berkshire
    Ratings:
    +146
  27. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    But is it any good? Are you really getting a DVD player that can rival the Pioneer 868, Denon 3910 or Arcam DV79 or are you paying for a big hard drive? The HDMI is the selling point really yet there are no reviews or detailed statements on its performance on here or anywhere else other than the foreign reviews on the Pioneer website.
     
  28. laser

    laser
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2004
    Messages:
    986
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Location:
    Hartlepool
    Ratings:
    +45
    Reviews of the DVR-920 in Home Cinema Magazines are probably still 4-6 weeks away. Pioneer only launched the player with an official press release on the 4th Jan in the UK.
     
  29. Smollett

    Smollett
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2004
    Messages:
    94
    Products Owned:
    1
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Ratings:
    +71
    Am now the proud owner of a 920H-S and it seems excellent so far. Using a decent HDMI cable the picture on my 435XDE is fabulous. Scart RGB recording off Sky+ box played back via HDMI is perfect too. Plenty of tweaking to do yet with the picture - almost too many options really but very pleased so far.
    Not multiregion as yet but dealer will zap in the code as soon as he gets it.
     
  30. Moray M

    Moray M
    Standard Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2003
    Messages:
    84
    Products Owned:
    0
    Products Wanted:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    8
    Location:
    Bucks
    Ratings:
    +1
    Smollett,

    So I guess the 920 compares favourably with the 8 series dvd then? :)

    How is the EPG working for you? :)

    Moray
     

Share This Page

Loading...